that’s sounds awesome, to bad i will only play this game in 10 year
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No, there is not many cases. How many can you name in the past 10 years?
Please don’t be bias just to put ToS at a higher place in saying other games are cheap, and it is more about end game content, which ToS has little with the same theme as “grinding” along with those 2 games. I am not sure about B&S, but BD has GvG, yet, ToS does not have it yet. Which to me, ToS is still in Alpha stage, they are clearly rushing it.
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That is fine if you feel you are right on your own. This was never a debate, as you never prove your point. It is more of an opinion from your responses, which there is no right or wrong for a person’s interest.
[quote=“cosx774, post:55, topic:126170”]And you didn’t read my post at all it seems like.
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The only thing I read is this game will improve.
- You are expecting the other game won’t improve?
- You are expecting no other new potential game?
- You are expecting the game will improve in a good way?
The fact I am giving is, this game in the current stage is not comparable to BDO, as I make my point in GvG.
No. How about you ANSWER the question posed as to which games within the past 10 years have succeeded after getting off to a “slow start”.
I’ll wait.
After reading this thread, it’s become quite apparent that yourself, @nando20xx and multiple other kiddies seem to not get the big picture at hand with TOS and other MMOs. Many people in my generation and close to it with a decent level of intellect understand how MMOs work and how they AREN’T working today. These days, you are rarely paying for an actual MMO and are actually paying for HYPE. This is a result of crony, unchecked capitalism infiltrating gaming in the mid 2000’s as well as infiltration of Media and bank payouts from companies that “rate games” based on bias rather than actual gameplay. In single player games, it’s easier to fix because you can either return the game or someone on the PC version of said game will drop a mod to make the game better…but for MMOs, thus isn’t the case.
So a few things here:
-TOS is an awesome CONCEPT that I WANT TO SEE PROSPER but there’s a possibility that it won’t. And quit blindly defending it like a bunch of idiots. The coming possible attackers to TOS within the next few months will be Blade And Soul, Black Desert, and The Division…and later on, Star Citizen, Lineage Eternal, and Lost Ark. I’ve played 4 of the 6 of those games…(the Alpha of SC and the Alpha of The Division on XBOX One…still waiting for the PC Beta here soon), and I will tell you that they ALL are MUCH more polished than TOS. Blade And Soul may be dated but still scales with a high end gaming system such as mine in terms of graphics. The asshat who said “BnS is just like C9” needs to find better hobbies than licking ice off of windows, clearly; they are NOT EVEN REMOTELY SIMILAR. Blade and Soul is a twitch-based combat system more similar to Street Fighter and Soul Calibur due to its blocks, counters, frames, interrupts, and setups. You don’t have that in a hack and slash like C9. The intricacies are simply not there. Black Desert is for the more mature gamer and by that merit, blows TOS out of the water with a satellite-mounted railgun in its current state. Black Desert sports INSANE levels of graphic and audio fidelity…simply the best out there. (If you have a good gaming PC, turn the game up on max and use either HD headphones with a soundcard or 7.1 speakers…). The economy and work systems with node management are TOP NOTCH. The game lets you become a skilled worker in multiple different fields but doesn’t detract from gameplay. It also sports a very intuitive conversation vs NPC system for gaining quests and knowledge. The battle in Black Desert is also incredibly fun and doesn’t dull out. Both Blade And Soul and Black Desert have minimal levels of bugs that will crash your game or cause you to reinstall.
-TOS is failing from multiple shady marketing decisions from Nexon…which doesn’t surprise. Korean companies in general have a problem with economic management of their games…(really don’t get me started here). I HOPE AND PRAY IMC doesn’t follow in the same footsteps here in the West buttttt, we have an issue here where kiddies with no real world experience are fine with being served mediocrity and don’t do anything about it…BUT DEFEND IT. We’ll see how that cookie crumbles - But when people check you on defending heavily trash things about TOS, don’t sit there and blindly fire back needles. They may be trying to enlighten your perspective so you don’t end up tunneling yourself into the game’s demise in the coming months.
-TOS has by far, some of the largest amount of bugs and optimization issues I’ve seen out of any MMO to date. I think the closest was…Space Cowboy? Lol. Someone like myself with a very high end system shouldn’t be getting frame spikes because the game still doesn’t know how to utilize multiple cores…yet it’s common knowledge that MMOs are more processor dependent. The level of bugs between quests, translations, skills, items, trading, even chatting and adding friends is just ridiculous but yet in the East, Nexon seems to think the game is ready so they’re already Cash Shopping. <----This is a marketing tactic. This is Socialist gaming and is fairly similar to the asshatery that Bungie pulled on people when they dropped Destiny. Fairly soon, you’ll see changes like “leveling zones being p2p” or needing to pay for certain class tokens or some dumb crap of that nature which are features that SHOULD BE IN THE GAME ALREADY but now they’re monetized.
Don’t fall for the hype.
We all love TOS here, (I sure do), but you can’t love without acknowledging flaws. Glaring flaws.
And quit with the immature kiddy sht, you might learn something.
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I should’ve figured you lacked the fortitude to actually make a constructive reply. You can’t even post a source and yet, you expect those countering your argument are too dumb to render in their own MMO experience.
You also utilized an allusion to “WoW” from BDO and BNS. Lol.
Discussion over.
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Can’t really say for anyone else. But after playing heavily in beta… as long as the cash shop isn’t grossly abusive I’ll probably play it like I did RO. I may take breaks, play other things, but eventually always end up back on it again.
I agree to your post, it is just the game isn’t polished. Every game went through some re-design or re-work, and many has done this before release (which is called Alpha). And I wish ToS can be better with healthy expectation from previous RO players. They cannot avoid comparing with RO, because they market as one.
@Excellence
Hmmm, so grandpa, you are saying that i am defending ToS regardless of what might happen? LOL, i’m not that stupid, i do defend ToS concept, but i don’t trust who is behind it to it’s entirety, why? Because you never know what, when or who might change in the long run, while i do love this game, is one of the reasons i have been around it for so long, reported bugs and what not, different from 70% of the people who came since first iCBT that only came to play, didn’t report at all and complained about a game that still in building stages.
I do know that a game could be modded, Torchlight 2 is a good example, lots of patches and even new contents community-made, this is not applied to MMO or any large scale online game, there is no way to implement that and it’s not safe also.
Indeed i am hyped on ToS, i would be lying if i wasn’t, but that don’t blind me, there are lots of stuff i would like to see modified on ToS but i can’t be sure it will be done the way i am thinking. Same goes for BnS when it was announced, i really liked the graphics and the story, but game wise it didn’t attracted me, as i said, not sure if it was on this thread, if a game can’t grab the attention of the player from the start, what is the point? What i mean is, if i start to play a game and find it boring, but try to struggle to go more deep into it, and end up disappointed because it didn’t improved on the fun department, why should i bother do the same thing on the next game? Same for ToS, it did picked my interest from the start, we had lots of problems? Yes we do, crashes and exploits took the fun, but its a CBT so it bound to happen, and i do hope it get fixed for us, i already said this on threads that came with concerns about what is happening on KR version of ToS, and people keep coming here with them over and over again but i won’t go in that area anymore, just ignoring until IMC come here and say they will do the same, then i will “open my mouth”.
Still, it’s an improved (if you can call that) version of the games you mentioned, where is the innovation? Just because it came from a different genre?
Yes, they didn’t use the same words, but was hella close to that (I was quite chocked!).[quote=“Indeed, post:50, topic:126170”]
I guess IMC does not care for the classes due to lack of control. I believe it has to be Nexon who decides on game balance and such. I think IMC has listened the feedback and pass to the developers, but I wish they also have people actually experience the game and provide their opinion that matches the feedback.
[/quote]I think you got something wrong here… IMC is the developer and Nexon the publisher.
Even tho Nexon KR is known to be a very powerful publisher, game balance is something they don’t touch.
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(maybe im being harsh on BnS though)
[/quote]Very harsh considering the game is already quite old (almost 6 years since KR alpha) and extremely popular on the countries it has localized servers, lol.[quote=“cosx774, post:58, topic:126170”]
Games like BDO and BnS are just the “big wow formula game” you play until the next more le innovative “big wow formula game” gets released after 1 or 2 years.
[/quote]There is no WoW in BnS. Don’t insult NCSoft.
““WoW formula”” is bad since around 2009~2010, and that is why the game started to die out alongside every generic MMO.
It kept up with their faithful player base, but there was no reason for people that never played the game before to start playing it by then.
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Yeah, i saw that one, i can be thinking too much here but i do hope there is a catch on what they said.
I find funny when people start saying things like these, just because its a 3rd person view game its WoW? lol
The only game that i find its a clone of WoW out there is the Russian Allods, even the talent system is similar.
Perhaps, I can be wrong. But I think the priority is to do what Nexon asks, as they are the customer (they pay for the game). Until the contract is over, and IMC makes enough out of it, then they can branch the code for improvement.
I feel it depends on Nexon listens and wants to improve the game (which I think IMC wants to improve it, just there is not enough to convince Nexon).
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Yeah, it kind became a trend or something similar which leads…
… isometric games being called Diablo clone also in the same fashion haha.
Tried the black desert CBT, uninstalled not long after because it was the same boring bullshit I’ve dealt with in so many mmos.
nope.nope nope.
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I read someone saying that the first 50 levels are tutorial basically, i mean, if a game make the first 50 levels being tutorial it only make me conclude that:
- They are terrible to explain their own game mechanics.
- The game is too complex to be learned fast which make me thing that the game don’t have a focus at end game, or end up in the same old dungeon gear grind/daily token grind/raid gear grind and maxing out crafting skills.
I wouldn’t want to play 50 levels of tutorial tbh, may be because i am a fast learner but even so, i think its a bit forced.
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