Hopefully lancer is game changer. But i dont think swordman can ever solocarry tbl.
Personally, i dont think any class can solocarry the meta builds in tbl. Wiz cant exactly beat wizs solo that easily. There are cool downs afterall.
Now if it is like 5 on foot swordman vs a full con wiz… That wiz can probably melt them. Blame match maker for that one.
look at the ranking in kr and iToS please, why there are only few of them in both ranking ?
so sword man in over the world are retard trash that don’t even know how to play ? 
you need to answer that question before back to your logic
If swordsman is sht, there should be 0 swordsman on the ranking, just like any other non meta pvp class which don’t even appear on ranking.
If swordsman can get into rank, that means other swordsman that can’t get into ranking is sht compared to those who can enter the ranking.
Unfortunately, yes. Most player don’t even know how to control their character. You can win as wizard because it has low skill floor even if your control is sht, but for swordsman, you can’t win if you have low skill, because swordsman is a high skill floor class.
so you mean this game pvp is balance so just because player don’t know how to play ?
I never said the matchmaking is balanced. What I meant is, the swordsman is in worst condition than they actually is because most player don’t even know how to play.
It’s like comparing foolproof device (other class) to a professional device (swordsman class) in a bunch of noobs.
In most of the other game, swordsman is supposed to be the foolproof class where people who can’t strategize play. It became a disaster in this game though, because swordsman actually requires the most knowledge about the game to play.
i’m not talking about match making
i’m talking about the classes in this game
so you think it’s balance, just because of players ?
Swordsman less on the ranking not really because they are noob, stupid or don’t know how to control their character.
Is because wizard, cleric, and archer is more easy to control and easy to use skill. even a normal swordsman player hard to kill a noob archer player.
So don’t say like, swordsman not on the ranking is noob and don’t even know how to control their character.
Go try to play a swordsman at pvp. If you not at the ranking as a swordsman player means you are noob too???
Sums up Mirarara nicely.
Just ignore that troll already, tosser doesn’t even play swordsman.
What Mirarara means “playing the proper way” is reroll as wizard, cleric or archer class, and we will not be the stupid swordsman XP
no no no
don’t pick archer, they are on 3rd so trash tier anyway
just wiz or cleric
At least pick archer will not be blame stupid or noob by someone.
And archer can easy play properly.
Yes, if I can’t get into ranking as a swordsman, I’m a noob too and need to git gud, instead of whining at the forum about how difficult is it to play swordsman because my skill level is sht.
If there are swordsman who can enter top 20 in TBL, and I can’t do it, it’s definitely because my skill is sht.
Only when I mastered swordsman then I will comment on why swordsman can’t defeat other class. Somehow many players in this thread don’t even know how to pvp properly, and they are trying to say that swordsman is sht.
Also, if you don’t understand the meaning of skill floor, i recommend you to use google.
This is exactly what I explained by skill floor. Swordsman has a high skill floor, which means it’s a sht class unless you have high skill level. DPS from other class has a much lower skill floor, which means that even at low skill level, those class is usable.
But does that means swordsman is sht when you have high skill level? The answer is no. This can be easily seen by how a good swordsman is actually rekting players in high ranking TBL. There is even a catagoon who managed to get no1 in Telsiai few days ago.
I would recommend you guys to actually understand the terms before replying. You are making yourself a fool just like every sht player who blamed everything but refused to improve.
That’s kind of the problem: Swordsmans skill floor is way higher than it needs to be for no real reason. Why is it Swordsmans that get punished just for playing that class when every other class can easily participate in PvP/GvG without much of a problem. It’s not very fun either when one class has to put in so much more effort, time, and skill just to do HALF the work of any other one class can with half the stress. It’s unbalanced and unfair. That’s all we want; a lowered skill floor so more people can play the class properly and have a better chance against these other classes that clearly outclass us. We’re not asking to be completely braindead like some classes, just have a proper effort/reward scale.
I’m pretty sure playing a catagoon require much less effort to win in TBL compared to playing a full support.
Considering full supports are near invincible (depending on the build) you’re more likely to die fast as a catagoon than a full support. Catagoons need to get in to do work and that comes with a LOT of risk, something full support doesn’t have to deal with as much.
Also… Catagoon is ONE path… ONE path out of how many has an easier time than the rest of the class path options. Compare that to every other class where it really doesn’t matter what path you take you’ll be fine; not everyone playing Swordsman is going to go the Catagoon path and we shouldn’t be forced to to participate in PvP/GvG. Sure, not all classes need to be capable in PvP/GvG, but if only ONE path is viable, that’s still stupid.
I wouldn’t be sure yet if catagoon is the only path.
The ktos patch and the swordsman buff is still new. Most player had yet to try any other path, and is stuck in the mindset that swordsman can’t do DPS, where in fact a barb 3 doppel can kill maven abby’s mob in one rotation now.
Most of the current swordsman took peltasta in their build to PvE, and never optimize nor theoritize a PvP build. That’s probably why PvP swordsman don’t exist yet.
With the new block penetration buff, i dare to say that swordsman can actually kill any full CON build as long as you can get near to your enemy (with support from teammate).
The 30% STR boost is nice, but the main problem right now is that: Swordsman doesn’t have the survivability necessary/ other classes do so much more damage (magic damage just melts everything) and Swordsmans can’t get into melee range effectively enough to utilize most of their kits. The reason Catagoons/Cataphracts can do this is because they have, by-far, the best mobility out of any class; the rest of the class is not so lucky.
The only reason Peltasta was taken by 98% of Swordsmans was because, late-game, Swordsmans could not do anything better than what other classes could already do, so they were relegated to taunt-b!tch. With the new patch, though, this COULD change, but again, I don’t think the 30% STR boost is going to give the Swordsmans anything other classes can’t already do and better.
And even with the block pen STR buff, nothing else really changes besides the fact that Swordsmans can actually kill things… if we could HIT THINGS. Yes, support from the team would make that possible/easier, but more often then not your teammembers are going to be too busy setting up their own stuff rather than hand-holding someone else.
Still, in every game there will be characters with higher skill floor to reach the same results as the low skill floor ones.
About getting close besides Cata, there is a reason Shinobi is also a popular build on KR.
Stealth > Hook > Hexen (with Long Stride in the middle if needed/have HopC2) already bursts down most people while unnoticed. Just need to use Katon wisely.
And not so popular here on iToS, Mokuton > Cyclone for Doppel ninjas. (and may also work for other classes, since Mokuton alone is usefull for teleporte + root)
Having higher skill floor classes if perfectly okay, don’t get me wrong, but from all the threads I have read, both of Swordsman and other classes, it sounds like the Swordsmans skill floor is unfairly higher. Again, I don’t want to see the class be braindead, just have it reasonable.
Okay, so Cataphract and Shinobi, with a dash of Corsair and Dopplesoldner. Yeah, those are the common PvP Swordsman classes because they have, either, high enough DPS or unique/gimmicky utility that can truly assist in a PvP/GvG setting… But, still, those are one to two useful skill(s) per class, comparing to the other classes (Wizard, Cleric, Archer) they have bigger toolkits with much broader and more reliable skills. It’s kinda hard to play poker when all you’ve been dealt is a pair of 2s and your opponents been dealt a full house. =P
That applies for pretty much everyone.
Notable skills for SW3>Cata3>Dragoon:
Notable skills for Wiz3>Psy3>WL:
Around 10 or 11 good skills for each. Taking Elementalist instead of Psy, which is also fairly popular, would result roughly the same, since only Meteor, Forst Cloud and Electrocute (with Linker) are good.
Just examples, but it is what happens to pretty much everyone, since every class has skills that are focused for PvE, not good at PvP, extremely situational or just plain bad.