Er, where is the impaler?
Or does impaler don’t goes through prophecy?
swordman can t win wiz When hit skill attack sleep+icewall ice
- Magnetic Force + fire wall
- Magnetic Force + Raise + temle shooter
- i cant resiste Evil Sacrifice + Dark Theurge (one kill hit)
because swordman atk melee atk but wiz is magic atk and more aoe atk / CC
swordman not have protect skill cc
but wiz have skill Reflect Shield and Subzero Shield when atk is chance frozen (wtf)
phy melee dmg sec+hit enogh wiz and it magic atk
sword ican t win Acher
because they have range atk and CC /Fulldraw
(skill hunter) Coursing wtf i can t move ....
(skill Scout) clocking where are you? i wan t to kill u..
he saied bye headshot
(Falconer) Hanging Shot plz you down i can t atk you...
swordman i can t win Cleric
Full con Hp30k-40k heal slot = 2000+
have Safety Zone + Resurrection team + stone skin
Borkor Mackangdal immunrity skill for team
Dievdirby c3 Statue of Goddess Ausrine immunrity skill i can t damage enermy and Carve World Tree kill me plz …
r6 PD what the ■■■■ he have skill Healing Factor super tank +support heal 1 mass heal 1 heal factor if swordman can t kill?
r6 kabalisk have skill Revenged Sevenfold and Ein Sof MAXHP lv 5 +mhp 120% . … … ok you win
what do you think IMC.. not balance BTLYeah they should just delete the swordsman class. WTF !! the support class deals more damage than them!!?? seriously . The support class can tank because of heal(of course they are support). They can block. Mage class can reflect. have super high hp (fuck cryo 40k) without damage penalty. so what is the point of swordsman class>?? just remove. we all just be magic . or long range as melee. Tree of MAGIC!!
Where is the sacrifice paladin like in RO>> now that is a tank and can really kill! and still do support that is a great description of a swordsman class!! They should always have the highest HP! hardest to die!!
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Lol. Your class is spoonfed with effective skills. Even a newbie can do what you are doing. You can even kill even your eyes are close . just spamming spells. lol. Swordsman class as support class??? Are you ■■■■■■■ retarded!!?? Yeah I know swordsman can do support. but not like this. ■■■■!
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I dare you to play a pyro 3 chrono 3 and try to kill people in PvP.
I usually just win the game, I don’t even deal much damage. That’s how a support should be played.
I managed to get to rank 21 by just supporting, controlling enemy’s movement by mindgame and not doing damage, but I guess these concept is too hard for you.
nah on paper all swordsman looks can kill in Pvp but it’s not
Before talking about skills IMC need fix their game system 1st
Keyboard mode vs mouse mode in PvP = Mouse mode Win
System say Mouse mode not suitable to SW and cleric, but keyboard mode so bad.
Hard change target with tab, can’t use mouse for change target in Key mode. Even at PVE can’t aim skill coz so many summon arround ( Bokor hexing )
I remember killing bos at Verktis square when all NPC guard attack that bos, i can’t hexing the boss, even when i change to mouse mode.
on paper you can imagine use slithering, long stride, etc
but in game you can’t, coz the target system so bad, and mobility all you need for pvp.
I’ve imagine use longstride then combo with mijin / cyclone but…
Long stride with Keymode instant cast and have long distance jump but to aim target so bad, while with mouse mode only half distance.
instead aim player it’s aim summon or sometimes just jump in place.
You know how hunter pet AI dumb ? yeah it’s like that.
is there any class in other games that can have CC, damage, def, mdef, mele counter, magic counter, range counter, ton of HP ? ( Magic & range counter finally remove )
in TOS wizard it is.
almost game i’ve play Warrior always have these advantage coz mele attack : High def / hp, High atk, High movement.
While in tos Wizard can have those
Movement all 4 classes can have it.
Wizard - Chrono
Cleric - Samediveve
Scout - Cloacking attribute ( not so good only when cloacking )
Swordman need can use skill while dash
Or make 1 skill for that, change gungho for it.
You do understand you were crippling yourself playing this game in keyboard mode from the start, right? Even though keyboard mode seems better-supported by a game then mousemode, having a mouse is still too huge for targeting and stuff.
So do you want to be competitive with no mouse + wasd combo? lel.
As you also stated in your previous reply. I have no time or intention playing a class that does not suit my play style. Or I am just not interested in.
Yes I know what you are implying here. Using your real skills in pvp. not just spamming your strongest skills somethings. But it is 10x more difficult to do with a swordsman class. because of lack of abilities… swordsman are not spoonfed with pvp skills like the other classes. Almost all skills we have are just supposed damage skills. that ironically. does little to no damage at all compared to other classes… lol
of course i’m using any type of mode that benefit and comfort to me
even using key mode i’m using mouse try to aim target but you can’t
While you use mouse mode some skils have restriction
i.e Long stride, it’s make your jump distance shorter
You do have alot of PvP-able skill. You just can’t solo. Also, why are you playing swordsman if the playstyle of swordsman isn’t what you like? It’s like cleric saying that they are not healing people because they don’t like to heal.
I don’t think there is any other class that can easily pierce through invulnerability and bloodletting over a great distance, when you have support. except swordsman. Most swordsman don’t utilize this to their advantage though.
And you don’t really does no damage compared to other class. Barb 3 can instantly kill full CON character with cleave combo after you stunned your enemy, provided that you have good investment in attribute. I would say the real problem of swordsman is that they usually have low investment in attribute compared to other class which has minimum of 50 attribute to 100 attribute.
One thing I would agree is, swordsman is probably the worst solo class in PvP (except catagoon), but most swordsman expect themselves to be, and played like a solo class, which is what causes their lost in TBL.
Imagine a cleric refusing to heal you in TBL and try to maximum their damage in PvP by using heal to damage the enemy. That’s the equivalent of how most swordsman is playing TBL right now.
To be fair, Swordsman doesn’t really have multi-purpose skills similar to how Heal works. Most, if not all, their skills serve a single purpose, it’s just that that purpose can be fulfilled easier/better by other classes.
Knockdown may be the only thing that can bypass bloodletting, but you have to hit with whatever skill causes it first and having to hit at melee range with low AoE against mobile targets isn’t something that’s going to happen often. Most of the Swordsmans unique utility is either very unreliable (stun, knockdown, other RNG dependent factors) or much harder/riskier to pull off (Iron Hook, Impaler, etc.) either because of melee range or having to sacrifice something else (in Iron Hooks case, that sacrifice is movement)
And anyone with a brain invests in Attributes as much as possible, especially as Swordsman.
This is just facepalm. Just a really, really bad comparison. What do you expect swordsman to do? Swashbuckling enemy to death? Slithering enemy to death? Oh maybe my Guild Tower can kill enemies.
The real problem lies in landing the skills due to the following reasons :
- slow animation
- radius of the AOE skills
- wonky hit boxes
- lack of real damage mitigation and resist for a supposedly “TANK” class (players been saying this just because they have higher hp pool smh)
I just can’t believe you’re really saying a swordsman class is a “support” class. We literally have no support skills on our arsenals (besides Iron Hook and Arrest).
Wizards has better CC skills. Clerics has better tanking skills, plus they have heal. Archers has better damage. What does swordsman have?
I’m really daring you to play a swordsman just so that you would know, because you really have no idea what you are talking about. Prove us your “research”. All you have is your words and your pompous attitude saying 90% swordsman are stupid for not “playing the proper way”, while you yourself have not played the class and have zero experience with it, you just have your “research”.
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You are using the worst possible skill to counter my argument.
Every knockdown skill, EVERY CC skill is a great support skill.
Have you ever seen how catagoon is able to chain stun a player for 10+ seconds?
Have you ever seen how a barb 3 is able to disable dark theurge, pin them down, and fk them up?
Do you even know that you are immune to DT during pouncing?
Have you ever seen how easy is it for a swordsman to break through a choke point with ausrine+Pd, to destroy your enemies with similar buff (no, there is no other skill that can do it)?
We are using them to win wars. Just because you can’t think of how to utilize your own traits doesn’t means others couldn’t.
Swordsman need skill that can be used while dashing, affect stun or knock back to enemy
or change gungho skill to buff for chance to paralyze enemy ( bind )
No I am not, just like Clerics are known for Healing, those are the skills that are known for Swordsman.
And have you read what I wrote? Yes they are great skills no doubt about that, but they are fckng hard to hit because of the reasons that I have stated. Is it that too hard to understand? See now, this is why you don’t know what the F you are talking about, because you only know what the skills does based on the description.
I won’t disagree with this, because this is literally why Catagoons are meta pvp builds for swordsman.
Yes I know this as I am a Barb3 myself, but do you know that you are not immune to everything else that is happening around? What are you playing here 1v1?
I’m doing just fine in PVPing. I win some, I lose some. That’s just the way it is. I just don’t like the way you are generalizing all swordsman when you yourself don’t have the experience to back it all up. foh
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This is why I did mentioned before that Swordsman is good once you entered the high ranking. Your ally will actually make use of the space you created and win the game.
Playing swordsman in lower ranking is completely terrible though. You are practically waiting to lose because your team just couldn’t make use of what you gave them.
A real problem of swordsman is the TBL is not balanced during queuing. At lower ranking, there’s just not enough class that can combo with you effectively. However, if you got lucky in the first day when the higher ranking player is still at 1000 points, and get into the higher ranking match, your game will be much easier after that.
It’s the same as the support in TBL. It’s really hard to climb up once you get below 1000, but really easy to win if you get above 1100. You will never solo carry the game, and your team can’t make use of you at low ranking.
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Except in TBL, trench do exist because you can’t change your class.
That is true though. I feel really good when I have competent teammates, whether we win or not.
Anyway I’m just playing somewhere between the 1k mark (sometimes go up, sometimes go down) I do it for the points anyway, but I don’t like losing so I try.
Because as what you have said, Swordsman alone is no game changer. Unlike the other three class. Which is why there are balances issue. If the other three can, why the hell does swordsman cannot?
Still looking forward to what devs come up with. They’ve been buffing swordsman for the last couple of updates.
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Swordsman can be game changer as a catagoon. Other class in swordsman tree though, can’t really be solo game changer, just like how other support mage class will usually lose when they drop into lower ranking.
Swordsman is at peak performance when both side has meta team that know how to play, just like most support build too.