Unless your enemy is using zoomy addon, it’s fairly easy to step in and step back to bait out their magnetic force after the first round (you may get caught the first time because you don’t know that they have kino 2). There is a short cast time before magnetic force actually works, and most people will cast their magnetic force once you entered their screen.
I do agree that magnetic force with zoomy addon is unavoidable, but that’s blatantly cheating and I’m not going to discuss about it here.
Let’s recap.
So far your “SWORDSMAN IS GOOD I DIE TO THEM IT’S NOT JUST BECAUSE I SUCK” points are:
My 1 point is:
Congratulation for trying to twist my argument. I don’t think I should waste my time replying if you aren’t even reading my arguments properly.
Brah, this river is getting too big, stop crying a little.
Maybe when you git gud at life and stop acting all like angst edgy teenagers, just maybe, you will also git gud at the game.
There were SW at the top at Telsiai and before the reset of rankings today there was at least one in top 15 in Klaipeda.
I love how he think that he actually need to root himself to block an attack. I wonder why the swordsman always think that they sux just because their skill has higher skill floor, and need setup to kill the enemies.
Why the regression to “GIT GUD IM BALANCED WIZARD HUEUHUEHE”?
He must the the Barbarian I played with today.
One that ignored Ausrine buff at the start of the game and rushed alone to the enemy team all 3 rounds. Now is here asking to buff his char.
Or that swordsman that frantically hit all my fireballs away from the enemies I tried so hard to use my Stop on. Or that corsair who refused to use iron hook because he claimed that he is not support.
It does root you. It stops you cold even while you’re jumping.
Try blocking attacks and moving forward against an archer doing nothing but heavy shot and not even anything dangerous. You will never hit them (in fact you’ll lose ground) and will effectively be CC’d until dead.
Fireball doesn’t hit stopped enemies. It’s fire pillar and flame ground that hit stop. You can’t even get your faceroll broken wizard cancer right.
Tell me, why are you trying to hit the archer again?
I had repeatedly said that swordsman can win the game if played as a support. You don’t have much chance to damage your enemies, but you can definitely turn the tide in your favour.
Try to win some game as a non healer, non DPS and you will realize how to play swordsman.
Please refrain from being sarcastic if you don’t even understand the combo. The 4 x fireballs are meant to damage the enemy after the stop is over, not when the stop is still in effect. Also, it’s to prevent the cleric from trying to cure the stopped target.
I guess such strategy is too hard for you.
Great strategy except clerics can push the same exact button and do the same exact thing to the fireballs that you were just crying about a swordsman doing making your “strategy” completely worthless, and the idea you’d not just kill the person with fire pillar for some “so smart and deep strategy” is hilarious.
Oh nevermind you made that up because you’re embarassed you needed to be told how to play. As usual.
Before this thread becomes even more of a shitstorm than it already is; I’ll give my few words (though, it’ll probably be twisted backward), also, this is from someone who has not yet been into the PvP/GvG scene so feel free to disregard this.
From all the threads I’ve read on about the Swordsman class within the PvP/GvG environment, one thing is clear; Swordsman are outclassed/inferior to other classes. Some specific builds for Swordsman can work in PvP (typical Catagoon, Corsair, etc) but they’re few and far between compared to the rest of the classes; there isn’t that much variety there.
One of the reasons a lot of Swordsmans don’t do well in PvP as Mirarara suggested may simply come down to expectation. Swordsmans, in most games, are the frontline powerhouse; they do physical damage and take damage better than any other class, typically, but that’s far from the case in this game. They have some of the worst DPS and not nearly as much survivability as expected from the traditional Swordsman role, so they’re religated to a pseudo-support unless they are one of the better PvP options. As far as I know, no one picks up Swordsman to be pseudo-support, so people don’t expect them to so underwhelming in where they would normally excel in and it would take both time and creativity for people to adjust to how Swordsmans work here.
Besides that; other classes just have it both better and easier whether it’s from better damage scaling, only needing to invest in one stat, or just having an over-all better toolkit. Swordsmans (specific classes) can and will work in PvP/GvG but there’s just no denying that they are lacking compared to the other classes and, at least, some buffs would be appreciated to close the gap.
You say “psuedo-support” but your post clearly spelled out “just there so there’s enough people for the match to start already”. Why not just say it? You shouldn’t be worried about making terrible wizards who still die to swordsman despite being more overpowered than the flash feel better.
Hunter pets do everything a swordsman in pvp does better, and the archer can be running around still killing people while the pet does it. This is a pretty clear indication of a problem.
Sure, because I have infinite fire pillars to be casted when I catch more than 1 people.
You are so tunnelled vision that it actually amuse me right now.
Speak for yourself, you obsessed over fireballs for some reason. They suck and I’ll gladly hit them all away.
Because I’m ignoring your hasty conclusion in thinking the guy’s just salty from losing to a Swordsman. Not everyone is the type to get butthurt over stupid things.
As for Hunter pets… that WOULD be one of the reasons why Swordsman are outclassed, but not every Archer goes Hunter.
And pseudo-support would be a more accurate term for their role in PvP/GvG since… they can’t really DPS well, they can’t CC at all, and they indirectly support the party. Catas can out run/ catch anyone, Dopple can stun-lock with Cyclone, Corsair can hold a target, Rodelero can tank (somewhat), Swordsman has Bash for knockdown. They’re all unconventional ways of party assistance hence the ‘pseudo’, but they’re also all unreliable in such a frantic setting.
You waste your file pillar.
I had to tell your how your own Stop worked.
You have no idea how magnetic force works, clearly.
You’re so low ranked you’ve never encountered magnetic force -> flesh cannon kills of 3+ people with 0 effort.
You didn’t even know blocking roots you.
I hope for your sake you’re pyro3chrono3 because if you have linker then you should be getting even more bullshit auto-win kills with fireballs instead of putting them on stopped people that they don’t even hit.
You’re terrible and I have to teach you how to play your own class, wizard, but we’re supposed to take your word on how amazing, perfectly balanced, and beyond our abilites to play swordsmen in pvp are? lol k
Ugh, it’s not expectation, there’s no choice for swordman. Sure you can sit and wait for all first round disable pass before charging in, but at the end of the day, you have to charge in to even do anything.
The way people talk is like the opponent is so stupid that if you not charge in they will. If opponent sit and wait as well, then swordman is useless. If swordman charge in, swordman die.
Trust me, damage is the least concern of swordman. The problem is that there are so many things that counter melee but next to none counter range
I never lack damage in any of the battle league I joined, sometimes I even outdo archers on damage. But most of the time I cannot do anything, just circling around to wait until dark thurge, subzero shield, raise etc etc to go out.
So you have zero exp in playing a swordsman class? Yet claims
I’m sorry but that is bullcrap. Everything looks good on paper, unless you tried it out yourself, you’ll know that it isn’t gonna work like you thought it would.
Unless you can back up your claim, it will always remain a theory.
I agree with this. DPS-built swordsman actually do good damage, in my exp, Pouncing is a beast given you have enough accuracy to hit 90% of the time. Problem is when they countered my Pouncing, I have nothing left besides Cyclone (though it has % of resist, animation is so slow that most of the time they’d CC first before I get spinning).
This is the best that I’ve done so far and yet I still get outdamaged by a Cryo-Kino-RC. Swordsman is only good at KSing. lmao. and probably chasing down fleeing players.
nice reviews and yes, is even disgustingly when comes to wizards…
