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Where did the goddess go...and the players... and why?

I think people misuse the term white knight just as they misuse the term P2W. Where is all the offensiveness in the comments? Most people are saying they agree with some, but disagree with others. It seems you think anyone who disagrees with you or likes some of IMC’s decisions is a white knight, which just makes you look like a ■■■■.

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I just told that my problem is when somebody:

Again…you are not disagreeing with me, you are just not reading anything but get offended by the term of white knight cause it seems you are doing exactly the same. I just said that I’m ok with guys whose are having points and they can argue and actually do some normal reasoning.

Now you are offended cause I don’t like flamers and people who just say : “Nah, you are wrong cause I said so. ; Nah, you are wrong cause IMC is god.”


Btw, now you are the one again who starts to flame and that’s why I ignore these kind of comments. No points made, no arguement, no feedback just saying: “You are a ■■■■ cause you said we are not right. But we said that we are right and you still don’t see that you are wrong!”

I didnt say that at all. I said your post made you look like a ■■■■. Im not replying anymore because i know you like to troll people, remembering your previous comments. I like how you edited out some parts btw.

swtor was subscription based but it was doing so well, that it had to go F2P asap.

If you consider barely hanging on as not dieing - gratz to you.

So…if I’m asking you to actually make valid points and reasoning behind your statement when you say I’m wrong, I’m a troll. Well ok…feel free.

I don’t know why people like you get offended when I say that you are a white knight cause you blindly agree and defending without any reasoning.

All I ask is that you make points like: “I disagree with you cause: XXXX and I think it’s good as it is cause: XXX”

Whenever I ask you guys to do this, you are saying: “Ahahah, you troll! Haha, you call everyone a white knight.”

Avoiding to answer and try to make me be the douchbag…yet I’m willing to listen, but you just want to flame.


Also: That explains a lot:

I’m never editing out parts of my comments… I’m only correcting spelling or adding content to them. See? You are just flaming.

I said that I only have problems that kind of white knights, whose are not willing to post with reasoning. -> You replied this. being angry.

What does logic tells you? So you calling me a douchbag cause I don’t care about flamers and childish posts which only contains: “I said so, I love IMC”.

No thanks i dont really feel like going back and forth with you. This is now going off topic. I already made a post about the topic. I will say there are 0 posts in this thread that say “imc is good leave them alone” or anything like that. So if thats your definition, then that one post i replied to wasnt even necessary and only there to offend people.

I think our arguement ends here, cause you are taking everything literally. Let me explain what I mean:

When you are arguing about a feature like…let’s say…group up together or not and your point is: “I like that way, and it’s better that way cause it was designed that way…”

That’s not a reason. Reason is when you can actually tell us that why this is a good thing that it’s designed that way!

…and yeah…the topic is full of posts where the author just can’t reason. Look at the guy in the first posts. He made his points about the information thing. We didn’t agree, but he has an opinion which should be respected.

I agree with spawn rate, it should be better designed, so people would be able to realy grind, but I must say I’m at lv 248 and I didnt grind at all till now. I mean, I did Vibora from maps, and some say this is grind, but I dont think so. For Vibora the spawn is ok for now.

I do not agree about all other things, cuz I think its play style and a game will never make everybody happy, but talk about how the game is dead its just big BS. People Who dont like the play style want to make others believe its gone, but thats just the start. Cmon dude. The non-NA servers are rly crowded and it Will be even more When F2P hits US.

About token, I rly dont get the point in the flaw of something you can buy in game for silver at lvl 100. I rly dont get it, tbh.

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Why are account bound tp items are bad things?

What’s the problem to be able to solo after lvl 200?

Why is that a problem if basic informations are found on the website?

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Dude, I dont even know what your arguing about anymore. You make a post about white knights when there isnt anyone doing that in this thread. Which is why i mentioned you being a troll. Its almost like you tried to derail your own thread.

Im really done now.

It isnt bad, its just a business call. If you dont agree, dont buy the tp costumes. Saying this is a killing game thing is just too much. Its costumes dude.

There are no problem, its just another choice that Will not satisfy everybody. You cant make everyone happy. And you still can solo after 200 with pots if you want and you are not a sup.

The lack of information its a huge problem. You cant go back in this game and plenty things are missing to make wise calls about the game, but again this is something you do along times. It Will come at some point. People wanted the game quick and they got it.

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@Athem I really do not understand you, you make a post about things that are wrong with the game that I assume, 99% of the playerbase already know and stated already, people come to you with facts like ChillCross did, yet you decide to jump on FF XIV instead of ignoring WoW, for example. Truth be told, doesn’t matter if you summoned him, he is STILL browsing the forums, you can check his feed in less than a minute. Not to mention the fact that his points are flawed to say the least and he is accurate in but a few of them.

I’m really not gonna defend IMC in many points because I think they ■■■■■■ up in a few, yet they did great in some others. Give them a freaking break, for the love of god. The game is not even 2 months old and you expect to have ALL your demands be fixed in this short amount of time. And no, this is not korea, the game hasn’t been alive for 8 months, this is iTOS, the feedback and the market is completely different.

You guys never cease to amaze me.

PS: I’m aware that your post is not white knight related but you wanting to change some things about the game, what I wanted to point out is that you yourself decided to derail it into that direction. That being said, when you say that you can’t solo anymore until level 200, I just had to point out, our squire went to lvl 230ish with a squire 3 build. So don’t bullshit me or any of the people here, please. And when it comes to respawn, respawn gets 10 times better when you get past level 200. So at least we know they are listening. But I’m not entirely sure if you have been past lvl 200 given your accusations. Spawn rate it’s just terrible at maps like videntis shrine, mokusul chamber, which is around 150/180.

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Wow, someone forgot that iCBT2 was a thing and how imc cared about our feedback back then.

Erhm…like they removed the working ah, the player-open-shop things and etc? I mean… iCBT2 was pretty awesome. However they took away many of the good features. They did a beta which was good and took away many of the things which were good features.


“It’s designed that way…”


So, he sais that the game which makes money from the TP shop and lives because it’s there…wont die if it stays like that? No points made why is this a good feature for the players.

I made a huge post about it, explaining why that TP has to change. His arguement is:

Honestly? We are talking about a product, the main purpose would be to everybody who is playing should spend money!

Also…we already spent money on the game.

Basicly that’s what I’m talking about.

People who wants to change the game, so a huge amount of people will play it vs People who want this game to be a small community which can tell that they are so unique cause they are playing this game.

The cash shop is the most important part of the game business and playerwise. If it fails and idiots like me wont buy anything the game will die or the community will stay as a very little one as stated above.

Guys, it’s the end of the school year. We can’t all just forget about finals.

The point that you and some other guys dont get about it is the biggest part of players are spending theire TPs even if they cant trade their costumes.

I never said it would be good if everybody stops to buy it. I said people are buying. People are spending the cash they bought. People are buying more TP. They did this call cuz they believe they can and even earn more money. Then, whats I said is if YOU dont agree, YOU should not buy the costumes, dude.

This topics are always about the same thing and they all share the same problem: people who create them dont get they are a minor part, and THAT’s why nothing of it will kill the game.

This topic was the first I talked about it and will be the last.

IMC these stupidly low spawn rates are killing your game. People leaving in mass because of it. F2P isnt going to save your bad game design.

Can you point out which maps have bad spawn rate? I hope it’s like, 90% of the maps.
If anything, orsha side is crowded AS ■■■■ with mobs.

There are plenty maps with poor spawn rates. I mean, they are fine for questing and doing the Vibora, but its impossible to grind in most of them, even when there are no one leveling in the same spot. Higher the map level, worst the spawn.

So…you think that after people will realise that they spent their TP on a character which is failing after lvl 200…they will not give a negative review and it wont kill the game?

The fact that currently almost none of the newcomers knows about this is the only hope for this game. As soon as they will see the reviews or hear about this, they wont spend money.

Of course, the game will have a nice playerbase for 1 month (again) and you will say: See? The game is not dead! We have a large number of players! However they wont pay…

One month after that…decrease in player numbers…not a problem, you will still have your little community.

Two month but we still have servers…however players are dissapearing and there will be an announcement about merging servers. Not just because of playerbase, but because of financial problems.

I know I know… I just see things. But nobody will spend money if they can lose it. By lose it, I mean if there is a chance that his character can not be used anymore, cause he screwed up.

In july, I will just quote this post again… :stuck_out_tongue:


You know what’s the difference between you and me? You want to save this game for you and you like IMC and ToS. You don’t care about others being here or not…cause you just like it. 1 server is left with 5k player? It’s perfectly fine for you.

…do you want to support them? Then show them how wrong they are. Cause from 1 server and from 5k people they wont make a fortune. Support them by pointing out mistakes.

The main goal is:
When you wont say that “do not spend TP if you don’t like the design” , but actually say "man, but it’s awesome, if you don’t like it, you can still see how that goes with another character and you lost nothing.

When you can actually say that it’s worth to support and buying these things. Not because you want to support IMC but because it’s actually a nice product.