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Unofficial Rogue Nerf Megathread + Class Discussion

Class and Rank Archer
#133

It can work, you’ll have to skill reset most likely though. Take Full Draw and Oblique shot, at least level 1. Full draw for the semi-stun, knockback and def debuff. Oblique shot for the slow.

We took the same class path, and I pretty much quit when I saw my backstab damage(I started working on my swordsman). However, after re-assessing my build I was able to create one that had significant damage output and pvp feasibility but had to either take cannoner or musketeer at r7. (You also drop backstab altogether)

Here’s where things get a little iffy, this build allows you to go plate armor as you will be taking the evasion skill. The skill adds a flat amount of evasion % which you can utilize with a tankier plate build. (Evasion level 5 gives you a flat 50% evasion chance, meaning enemies will miss 50% of the time even without any dex.)

You’ll essentially be using Rifle + Bow or Rifle + xbow and shield.

#134

That evasion part saddens me to no end T_T I got my leather mastery to lvl 50 T_T but it doesn’t hurt I guess, I can still get points into evasion for Even MORE evasion. Thoughts?

If you don’t mind me asking, what level is your char now? And have you picked up your rank7 or still working towards it.

#135

I’m not sure how the math on evasion works. I think it takes your natural evasion(from stats and the archer buff) first, if this stat fails and you are going to get damaged, the evasion skill kicks in. So essentially, more evasion. Except the evasion from the evasion skill triggers after your natural evasion.

#136

Man… Losing back stab though… That signature move was the reason I went for rogue in the first place lol. Sigh… Effing ninja nerfs

#137

Why do you think Evasion works like that? Seems like a flat 50% evasion buff to your base evasion just like Swift Step.

#138

That’s what people from kToS are saying, I’m not really 100% sure myself. Pretty much just information I got from wiki’s and stuff.

Edit:
Here’s a link to someone responding to this question as well: Rogues Evasion skill question
Pretty much, flat 50% increase.

I’ll look through google translate for the ones I saw in the past.

#139

What do you think about skipping rogue2 and pick up falconer?

#140

Not sure. I have no real information when it comes to the other archer classes. I was dead-set on becoming an assassin type rogue, had to compromise due to how weak backstab turned out to be.

#141

Lol you and I both…

#142

Honestly, your build needs to change as a whole once you plan to remove Rogue C2. There really isn’t any purpose getting Scout anymore as it just gimps your build as a whole. Usually, the main idea of getting Cloak is just for that stealth Backstab or having better positioning before using Burrow.

Scout C1’s utility isn’t worth a rank slot if you’re sacrificing Earth Tower potential and this is important if you’re now wanting to focus on PVE. Don’t think you can get away sacrificing 1 rank when Koreans with their hardcore PVE builds can’t even clear Earth Tower until now.

If you already have Archer C3 on your build, then you must focus on having a Falconer on your overall build.

My final recommendation to save your build and be PVE viable is go for, Archer C3 > Ranger C1 > Rogue C1 > Falconer > Cannoneer/Musketeer.

Cannoneer and Musketeer is more of a personal preference at that point. Either you’d want more AOE from Cannoneer or more semi-AOE and single target burst with Musketeer.

#143

Unfortunately, I’m already on my 5th rank literally just yesterday before server went down, I just wished I saw this thread earlier. I am current already

A3-> scout 1-> and rouge 1.

I was thinking of doing rogue 2 and then musketeer as rank 7. So I can benefit from scout’s clock and sniper skills with feints buff

#144

U can still salvage it with Falconer and one of the Rank 7 ones.1 Rank in Scout isn’t as bad as 1 rank in Ranger, Flare Shot is way stronger than back at CBT and Barrel is the closest archer will ever get to safety zone.

But Rogue C3 isn’t really that bad,it’s the closest you’ll get to RO’s Assassin class.

Or even go crazy bananas and Scout C3 that ■■■■.

#145

You’re implying Scout C1 is a better option than Ranger C1? Right, I remember you also saying that Rogues on KR cannot do 99k+99k Backstab. You obviously lack so much knowledge on the game so please don’t try to mislead people here.

Ranger C1 is an extremely powerful pair with Rogue C1 due to Feint. Feint doubles the hits of Barrage from 5 hits to 10 hits. This means even if considering only the skill modifier, Barrage’s 500% modifier becomes 1000% and considering that Barrage damage attribute is maxed eventually, this becomes 2000%. With 3 charges, this becomes a total of 6000% burst thanks to Feint. Steady Aim is also a final damage modifier that increases missile damage by a solid 10% thus improving that 6000% to 6600%.

Again, that’s just modifiers alone. Barrage has a considerable amount of fixed damage per arrow even at Lv5 which is 279 per arrow and based from all the possible multipliers, this can be increased to 558 * 10 hits.

#146

I don’t see ranger as the natural build for a pvp rogue. Maybe barrage is fine, but imo QS is the natural way to rogue, as you gain xbow skills and has more cc+survabilty. But i would consider a “bow rogue” for pve,farming/grinding etc…

#147

Bolded fonts /20charss

#148

Barrage doesn’t have a target cap! It hits EVERY eligible target within its AOE range once!

It’s pretty broken for PVE.

Edit: Oh, wait, I misunderstood how it worked because I hadn’t taken more than one hit to kill anything with it yet… it’s even better… Each ARROW is its own linear pierce and so you can hit any number of targets UP to five times… @_@

#149

yes, when you have an orcale in your team you can actually see that the skill casts 5 green AOE rectangles in a fan. so for each of those hit every enemy that stand in them.

#150

Honestly, now that Rogue is nerfed. I don’t see a reason not to invest on at least 1 circle on Ranger for the Feint + Barrage combo.

#151

Still going for this: http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/c8wwyyte1w/

Can t see any reasons it would not work

#152

Why not Twin Arrows? It is usable from Burrow… Also ive read a lot about Oblique lvl 1 more than enough…the rest is OK i think…