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Unique Swordie Builds

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

As I’m sure many other swordies/tosters have been playing with the simulator and following ktos patches. So my question to you is what type of builds have you created that you don’t mind sharing.

That being said despite how good or bad the build may be please refrain from harshly judging. This thread is to share ideas and info, as well as improving the viability of said combinations.

http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/p75j3dls7t/ - A build which focuses on having a gun in your sub weapon slot and being pvp viable thanks to restrain (yes I know it sucks atm, save it).

Hoplite is taken to help with bossing, while giving bonus crit for DPS with finestra (Also giving you the option of cloth armor for a slight dmg boost with finestra’s int attribute, while also improving block penetration.)

However this build is lacking taunt for aggro control which is what swordies exist for. However swashbuckling doesn’t work with guns so is it worth it to get a rank of Pel when 3/4ths of your skills wouldnt work without a shield/sword?

#2

Cant u simply pick the Provoke attribute? Couldnt it help with aggro issues, since ur build doesnt have Peltasta lvls? And more importantly, does it even work? :open_mouth:

#3

I personally think that people can remove Swordsman c2 and c3 completely from their build if they wanna go for stun. Simply take Barbarian at c3 and you got 100% chance to stun your enemy with Helm Chopper.

The best part is you can use Helm Chopper twice. Instant lockdown to your enemies as long as they don’t have Dispeller, or as long as they are not Oracle with Prophecy, PD with Bloodletting.

Nobody has tried Swashbuckling with Pistol so far, so I’m not sure myself. But you can use Swashbuckling with Sword-Dagger setup. If you insist to play with Pistol, then there is no mean for you to go for Peltasta.

#4

Alt + z
Swash buckler
Alt + z

Solved.

#5

Yeah, you can also do weapon swapping if you want to.

In order for easy bossing, you don’t really have to take Hoplite. Highlander has Skyliner which is very popular in Korean server right now. It is a spammable skill that will deal tons of bonus damage against enemies with Bleeding effect. Bleeding effect can be inflicted by another Highlander’s skill called Cross Cut.

This is my suggestion
As alternative, you can replace 1 circle of Highlander with Peltasta c1 if you are fine with weapon swapping.

#6

@Gunnr the swordsman attribute provoke only helped keep aggro of enemies I had actually hit. Which would be technically easier on a sub-weapon with range…however I doubt it’d be effective without a wide aoe attention grabbing skill. Barbarians warcry as an example.

@Erokhi my question about helm chopper/seism is if they can be used while jumping. How does using a pistol actually work? How does double weapon assault affect your AA while using a gun? Nice to know at least my reasoning with Pel was on point.

#7

Nope, I don’t think you can use it while jumping around. But the large AoE and damage compensate for that.
You can attack your enemies with pistol from afar by pressing sub-weapon button. As for Double Weapon Assault, I haven’t seen anyone tried it yet. I’ve watched several streams and I saw most ppl who went Corsair c2 ended up in either Dragoon or Shinobi. I haven’t seen a single Corsair c3 so far.

I personally think that Peltasta c1 is always a great addition for most Swordsman build unless you are going to use 2 handed weapon. You will always have a place in party because you can kill mobs much faster with Swashbuckling. Not to mention you can also deal tons of damage with other Swordsman classes.

#8

My build would like to focus on maining one weapon set, if possible. I’d like to avoid swapping if possible, my rig is crap and anything to avoid the lag spiky horror that is swapping (read they fixed the swap function some patch notes back but can’t comment on how effective it is)

Would it make sense to get highlander path when using mainly a sword+gun? Would I have full access to my highlander tree?? Also do the c3 highlander skills work at a 100% rate or can they be resisted? How’s their ultility in pvp/pve? Any questions you can’t answer can be simply passed

#9

Yes, the reason I gave you that build is because you can use all important Highlander’s skills with Sword-Pistol setup.

Armor Break from Skull Swing can be resisted, but very rare. I played Peltasta and used Umbro Thrust to inflict Armor Break on mobs. It only got resisted a few times compared to hundreds/thousands of times I have used that skill. Skull Swing should be the same.

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#10

Didn’t they implemented auto-swap?

If you use a spell that requires a specific weapon type, it’d switch automatically

I haven’t tested it, but i guess they implemented it just to this kind of situation xD

#11

What would be the point though? A ranged swordie? There just isn’t much support for it outside of buffs.

That said, a shinobi with a gun would be something - hbarb going to shinobi

Highlander - cuz your other choices are c2 swordie (no …) and pelt (maybe for swashbuckling … but other than that, why)
Barb - cuz [war cry] for 60 more damage and [frenzy] for more damage (also [seism] for the usual barb stuff)
Shinobi - cuz it ties things together. I don’t know how [bunshin no jutsu] interacts with your buffs but that’s just more damage. [mokuton no jutsu] is for when something does get to you. [katon no jutsu] to hide only with 8 sec of invisibility from the stealth attribute. And [kunai] is just for … reasons.

#12

For Guardian, of course. It gives bonus 18% evasion from its attribute. Umbo Blow is also a great utility skill for Knockdown.

Since you already have Barbarian in your build, you won’t use any of Highlander’s skills more often. You also missed Helm Chopper & Cleave that are great for both PvE-PvP. Based on my experience, Stomping Kick is not as good as I think it is. Small AoE and you must jump first in order to use it. The damage is also smaller compared to Helm Chopper-Cleave combo.

#13

Then what would be the point of building around a pistol?

The highlander is there just because:

  • I can’t choose barb at rank 2
  • [cartar stroke] for quality of life
  • there isn’t really anything in rank 6 to help the pistol.
    If [restrain] gets buffed then the c2 highlander could get replaced with c3 swordie.

Any barb skills other than [war cry] and [frenzy] are there cuz of unused points.

  • [stomping kick] takes damage from the boots so I can take a stat stick main hand weapon to boost the pistol. Besides, jump atk is a thing so why not take a jumping skill.
  • [seism] for quality of life much like [cartar stroke]

Honestly, I’m pretty curious how [bunshin no jutsu] will work with the swordie buffs. Imagine if the bunshins could trigger [restrain]. There’s also [frenzy].

#14

Well, the title does say “Unique Swordie Builds” and Swordsman with a Pistol is unique.
From my imagination, if you can use Pistol to deal long range attack, then why not?
You don’t need to chase off people in PvP and your long range attack will be fast enough to prevent Wizard from casting their CC. It’s more of a PvP skill to me. But as no one has tried it yet, I can’t be so sure whether it is good or bad.

Sadly, most people who went for Shinobi regret their choice because of stupid bunshin AI. The AI sometimes attack in the random place, not at the enemy that we are hitting. Moreover, they can only copy a few skills such as Bash, Thrust, and Kunai so far. Video Sample for stupid bunshin AI

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#15

This was in response to the suggestion of going pelt. You could suggest weapon swapping, but even if we got auto swap I would still need to alt+z to get back to pistol (and that is just awkward). If I could bind swap to maybe mouse wheel click sure. Then there’s the issue of not using the other skills since I would be at range.

That is sad indeed. I was hoping bunshins were just damage multipliers and giving them HP was just some sort of counter play. Hopefully IMC is still working on them.

#16

Yeah, I understand your concern. That’s why I said it’s an alternative if the OP is really fine with weapon swapping. But from the looks of it, Sword-High-High-High-Cors-Cors-Cors is still the best build for him if he wants to keep using Pistol IMO.

I treat bunshin as some kind of Swordsman version of Sorcerer-Necromancer summons. I don’t need them to follow me all the time, but at least they should be “smarter”. When they see enemies nearby, hit them, just like Necromancer’s skeleton army.

#17

IMHO, bunshins need to be dumber not smarter. They only need to attack what you attack, when you attack. That’s it. Here’s to hoping.

#18

So thanks for the discussion dudes, my main qualm or problem with building around this setup is honestly, there is no pistol synergy. Makes it all the more fun to try and build around in my opinion though!

Highlander is a great filler class for dps with the buff to skyliner, as well as useful debuffs.
Barb is also viable for the bonus damage, and stuns. Though I would sacrifice a few points from stomp for points into Pouncing/Giant Throw/cleave.

As for the one rank in peltasta, I’d rather avoid that. I’m going for a close/mid range DPS char which is what pistol is for I assume. Rather then diversify my skillset I’d rather focus on pumping any circles into classes which can boost that.

Another question! @Erokhi @c2gaming Comparing rank2-4 classes, with 5+ being corsair, which circles would offer the most dps while using a sword/spear+gun. Also Ero! I think you played in Laima so my brother in chaos, come international release what tanking/leader build will you be gunning for?

#19

Also is finestra a stance like high-guard or a buff like gungho? Never made a hoplite so I got no clue

#20

I have 2 “problems” with building for a pistol on a swordie,

There is nothing the pistol does that isn’t done better by any main hand weapon other than attacking at range. Take my proposed build for instance. [war cry] and [frenzy] would do way more with any main hand weapon for the simple fact that those weapons can hit more than 1 target. These are buffs. They affect all sources of damage. If swordie buffs had something like “deal x% more damage if you hit only 1 target” THEN that would be interesting and actually support a pistol build.

All damage skills save [pistol shot] from c3 corsair treat the pistol as a melee weapon.

It’s funny you mention finestra as another build I’m thinking about revolves around c3 hoplite for [throwing spear] since a patch some time ago removed the cd on it. It basically just replaces all ranks of barb from my 1st build with hoplite.

The Javelin build has you pew pewing with the pistol as you close in to pick up your spear after throwing it using either [throwing spear] or [gae bulg] while [long stride] is on cd. Btw, I only took [gae bulg] from dragoon as I don’t know how to effectively use the other skills so “pick your poison”.