Would you have agreed with a temporary 1-2 week ban for knowingly ignoring a GM rather than a permanent ban for botting?
No.
- Improper instructions may be ignored.
However, after a few changes. [quote=āFlanFlan, post:526, topic:302771ā]
- Use text that canāt be ignored or hidden despite user settings.
- State that they will be banned if donāt reply.
- Ask some basic math questions that a bot may not be able to solve automatically.
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Permaban anyone who failed the test even if he will show a video where he is typing: āIām doing it for lolz))0))000ā.
- Proper instructions should not be ignored.
Just like in your example[quote=āFlanFlan, post:519, topic:302771ā]
If a police officer turns on his lights yet you know youāve done nothing wrong, do you ignore the police officer and keep driving?
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A police officer should:
- Turn on his lights.
- Use his megaphone, not just shout in an open window.
Weāve agreed that the GM should do things properly.
However Avidityās post here shows that he knew exactly what was going on and chose to ignore the GM to make some sort of āpolitical statementā. Avidityās only defense here could have been to feign ignorance and he chose not to by showing a video that clearly displays a GM trying to reach out to him.
Avidity is not a moron and knew exactly what was going on. He knew that not replying to the GM would have resulted in this ban. He was trying to make a political statement for whatever reason.
Or do you honestly think that Avidity can still feign ignorance after showing a video of him knowingly ignoring a GM?
Thereās no Miranda Rights for an MMORPG. Avidity knew the GM was talking to him, he ignored the GM. That means a ban. Banned for botting? Debatable. Banned for ignoring a GM when it states that people MUST reply to the GMs in their EULA? I donāt see how itās debatable.
So this is the last point we cannot agree.
I honestly think that:
Regardless of other circumstances.
Proper / Improper
Comply / Ignore
Black / White
At least we come to an understanding.
If you want my honest opinion? I feel IMC is pretty amateurish. Their staff doesnāt understand or speak English well enough nor do they really understand our culture here.
Thereās a huge grey area for incorrect bannings that can happen if the company doesnāt understand the culture or English well enough. Itās a scary thought.
It was clear that the GM in the video was not a native speaker and it was also very clear that the GM didnāt have a written code of conduct. He was just told to log in and ban some bots and that was it. There was NO formality at all.
Avidity was pretty vague in his point of all of this. That may or may not have been his point. To be frank he just comes off as an ass-hole ignoring a GM to a lot of people here. Hell, if you look at this incident here and combine it with his pro-casual botting stance statement it even makes him look suspicious.
Regardless of what Avidityās point is, it still showed a level of unprofessionalism on IMCās part which can eventually lead to improper banning in the future.
Hell yes. In many ways. From development to payment. Not a big news however.
I dunno, he knows a few memes.
Yes, to please the community.
Again.
And this was my main worry.
Thereās nothing fine about how this GM is attempting to find bots.
Asking people if theyāre botting is something that was done in games 15 years ago. I would most likely not even notice someone talking to me unless theyāre whispering me. My chat is always getting set to show whispers only and I donāt bother switching it back because megaphones are always just people spamming LFG. I also only glance at what my character is doing when Iām farming something. Most of the time Iām looking at my other monitor while viewing my characterās movement with peripheral vision alone.
Anything that takes a page out of how Dark Ages(Nexon game) handled bots should be considered horrible.
The game is fun, but IMC is trying to compete with NA Nexon in incompetence.
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The OP gave up 4 Days ago and Sudokuād.
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Thatās a stupid approach.
If thatās the case then everyone would never be banned regardless of what they do, because it can never be 100% proven that someone is a bot. Everyone would go with a āi let my 3 year old brother play and he canāt read and he doesnāt know what a GM isā-excuse.
There are algorithms that are very good for indicating who is very likely to be a botter. Not responding at all to anything is one aspect to determine who is very likely to be a botterā¦
No bot detection is 100% accurate, however, it can be very accurate, to such a point where it
a) is extremely likely that it is a bot or
b) itās a player being a jerk by pretending to be a bot
in both cases i donāt see a problem with a ban. Bots should be banned, of course. But at the same time i think pretending to be a bot in order to waste a GMs time should be punished very harshly aswell. GMs have better things to do than wasting their time with pretenders and i donāt think the pretenders should have any right to complain, itās their own fault and they deliberately wasted GMs time, every human being with decent intelligence and proper morality should be able to understand doing that is wrong and will very likely result in bad consequences.
They donāt have to. Most reasons for getting banned are written in the terms of service. A GM does not have to repeat that stuff before being allowed to ban someone who is highly suspicious of being a bot, because players already accepted the terms of service and thus should know what reasons for bans there are, especially if it turns out that suspected player actively ignored GMs, despite knowing that it was a GM.
Wonāt work. Bots will be likely to solve it.
Also, people can come up with a āi have a disability that also makes solving math problems really hardā-excuse, which undermines your want for a 100% foolproof anti-bot algorithm.
I never mentioned 100%. But it should be better than now.
I donāt know if I want a system thatās 100% FOOL proof. We have a video here showing a person knowingly ignoring a GM then crying about being banned.
This level of foolishness needs to be punished so we can at least have higher quality human DNA in our games.
I mean this is probably the result of Avidity dividing by 20 chromosomes almost every post he made. After awhile his DNA quality went down so much that this happened (/20 chromosomes).
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Woah this thread is still red hot. Need to refill my popcorn.
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You deserved it lol. At the moment you choose to remain silence when the GM asked you to say something, because he canāt decide whether or not you are a bot. Thatās the consequence of being an ignorant prick.
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Is there a real gun or is gun a metaphor? Iām confusedā¦
OP bot on the wrong timeā¦
OP can come and bot againā¦
we need more bot for battle braceletā¦
15mil is very pain to my wallet
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Why make yourself so much trouble when you can simply buy a pet that can recover your hp (hint:its a bird) and stand at places with aggresive of mobs to get free silver legally? IMC earn money from bird sale, you earn easy silver. Less botting damage. Everyone happy. Standing at lower level maps can make like 300k per day probably and some junk items, not as much as your bots but atleast you dont have to feel hurt when your bots were banned like in this case.
This was a good thread, OP really thought they were smart.
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Your smug animu faces aināt protecting you there anymore, now are they?
Get rekt botting fgt.
Nice necro btw.
Just finished reading some of the theoriesā¦ holy sh!t my entire life is a lie and aliens are real. Itās not too late to vote Trump.
- OBVIOUS BOT I R EXTPERT ON BOTTIN I CAN TELL WHEN 1 IS BOT!!! CLEARLY BOT MOVEMENT! PLZ DONT EMBRAS URSELF N OBEY PIOLICE GET OWND BOTTER!
Not sticking around, just thought Iād drop by. 