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šŸ“£[UNBANNED NOW] Banned for ''botting'' (See what a bot looks like)

Nice. Youā€™ve hit the bottom.


Some of these accounts defending durian are probably just IMC employees.


Offended? ( Ķ”Ā° ĶœŹ– Ķ”Ā°)


As for all this white knight stuff, I donā€™t remember anyone stating that Avidity is good and definitely not a bot.

This is more like:

White knights defending one durian and curcle jerking each other.

If this is going to be a long ride might as well add some music.

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Yeah makes sense.


Yes, just like that.

I donā€™t think every botter out there programs their own bot. 99.9% of all botters probably bought their bot program for cash. Thus, is the bot seller gives his bot a captcha solver all people who buy the bot will have captcha-solving bots.

Forgot IMC opened server for new saviors again. There is a 98% chance he/she still playing in secret and will not reply us in this account because he/she is ashamed.

Watching you squirm like this is hilarious. No one agrees with you because you failed to make your point without coming off as defending a botter.

Better luck next time :slight_smile:

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Sorry, but I agree with him.
Itā€™s just that you guys donā€™t understand a damn thing about botting and how to manage it, so itā€™s rather pointless to argue with you.

Not even talking about your whole ā€œGMs are lord of the game and should be venerated as suchā€ egotripā€¦

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Sometimes thereā€™s desync issues that make bots look like theyā€™re running into walls. The jumping they only do if thereā€™s a known collision box they canā€™t simply walk over, theyā€™ll also start to swerve if jumping doesnā€™t help. Tested by trapping with my icewall.

But they are the lord of the game and should be venerated. Get over your entitlement issues and understand the rules of the MMORPG genre.

Yep, never botted before. Sorry. Iā€™m sure you have a lot of knowledge about it though :slight_smile:

Brothers in arms!

Itā€™s funny because youā€™re actually proud of being ignorant about the thing you argued about for I donā€™t know how many posts.

"Les sots et les ignorants sont bienheureux, ils sā€™estiment trop pour nā€™avoir jamais rien Ć  se reprocher, tel est leur Ć©tat !"
Chauvot de BeauchĆŖne

Again, you missed the point of everything.

OP Was:

  • Confessing to being FOR casual botting.
  • Accussed of botting in the past.
  • Ignored a GM while pretending to be a bot.

If you still canā€™t see why the ban was justified, I donā€™t know what to tell you. The only thing you people are doing is making yourself look like his friends and/or botters yourselves.

If a police officer turns on his lights yet you know youā€™ve done nothing wrong, do you ignore the police officer and keep driving? When the police officer pulls you over and arrests you, does the court of law care that you didnā€™t do anything wrong? No. Because you committed a crime by ignoring an authority figure.

GMs ARE THE LAW OF AN MMORPG.

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They do, just icewall them.

What? Now Iā€™m a botter because I dared to disagree with this herd? Oh well.

Then you failed to read.

Luck in what? Talking to a wall? No, thanks.

I prefer to talk with those who can comprehend what Iā€™m saying and argue without: ā€œlol uā€™r botter/ someoneā€™s friend / alt account / white knightā€.

You must be lonely then.

Unfortunately, yes. On those forums at least.

I am not a closed minded idiot despite what people think and Iā€™m open minded and able to see other peopleā€™s points of view but I just canā€™t understand this at all. Iā€™ve tried. At first I thought you were just talking about the GM being more clear about things AND the chat window being able to be hidden and I agreed with that.

Then we seemed to be unable to agree that ignoring a GM when a video clearly shows that Avidity saw the GM and the GMā€™s messages being sent and chose to ignore him while continuing to pretend to be a bot justifies a ban.

Thatā€™s the only thing that I donā€™t understand with your logic and Iā€™m trying, trust me I am. Because I was falsely banned for botting in Eden Eternal so my concerns for false bans are here. But in Eden Eternal no one messaged me and I saw no GM, it was just poof gone.

No, you understood it clearly.
We think that ignoring a GM casually asking you to answer him isnā€™t enough to warrant a lifeban.
Itā€™s just a matter of ideas. Youā€™re fine with a MMO being a totalitarian regime, where a GM can ban you just because he can, weā€™re not.

Obviously, we canā€™t come to an aggreement.

Iā€™m saying ā€œweā€, but maybe itā€™s ā€œIā€ā€¦

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He had what? 12 minutes to reply to that GM. Nothing unreasonable about it.

He had been suspected of casual botting and he publicly admitted to sympathizing with casual botters. Then he proceeds to act like a bot and bait a GM.

Even if he wasnā€™t botting, pretty easy to see why a GM would have come to the conclusion that he did.

Could he get unbanned? Maybe. But remember that IMC has the authority to permaban for any reason so it isnā€™t really an intelligent thing to do this to a GM, especially having made a public stance supporting casual botting in a previous thread.

Could a GM or IMC ā€˜falselyā€™ ban someone? Sure. But in this case there was nothing false about it.


Now what could the GMs do differently (but still doesnā€™t change Avidityā€™s ban being justified)?

  • Use text that canā€™t be ignored or hidden despite user settings.
  • State that they will be banned if donā€™t reply.
  • Ask some basic math questions that a bot may not be able to solve automatically.

If the player refuses after this, then the he or she is banned under suspicion of botting. That is a very fair and reasonable approach.

OK, Iā€™ll try again. My main point is:

  • Bot checking procedure is unreliable. The video showed this.

Now letā€™s assume that we have 3 persons:

  • Person A ignored it.
  • Person B is a botter.
  • Person C is innocent.

All of them are getting banned. How many people that were banned after a such procedure should be unbanned?

My answer is ALL. Because they were banned under the wrong algorithm with a high probability of false-positives. No personal feelings like: ā€œHe is a botter, liar and douchebag everyone knows itā€ or ā€œHe is not a botter, he is a cool guy and my guildmasterā€ should be mixed here.

And if OP would be banned properly, he would not create a topic or there would be no discussion here. Only pure hatred and laugh.