IMO
in PvP If cylone has full hit under iron hook every enemy will die
you don’t even need 50% debuff slash from cleave
Bro can you make a damage test for me ? How much damage on lvl 10 seism / lvl 15 helm chopper / each cyclone tick ?
Dude that would help me alot deciding (barb c2>doppel or barb c3) maybe you don`t have those skills maxed or what ever but anyway, thanks
Depending on the situation, you could turn a 3v1 into your favor.
Dude, you realize how many variables there are that you did not include in that question? And why exactly do you need a damage check?
My attributes, my gear, my stats all will make a difference. I’ll tell you this though, until around lvl 200 my barb skills even without cyclone are enough to deal with mobs. Problem start after when they start having 60k-90k health and will get even worse later. You have to invest a Lot of money to be able to kill those mobs in a timely fashion honestly. But that goes for any swordie really.
@Ginbei Yeah, in the rare off chance that lag doesn’t screw you over by making the characters actual location far from where you’re aiming. I’d rather count on shinobi’s bind than an unreliable hook, even more when the ping disparity between players is this high.
Your gear and stats doesn’t matter for a comparison all thoose skills scale the same way, what I am trying to figure out is: Do I really need cyclone or seism + helm chopper will be enough ?
Do you know if shinobi’s bind affects bloodletting ?
btw I am talking PvP ONLY.
Corsair’s hook is a rank 10 cc, which is pretty much the only cc we swordsmen have that can’t be blocked by plague doctor’s bloodletting, that’s why it’s so highly valued. Source
You’ll understand when you start doing 5v5 league PVP, watch some kTOS videos on youtube in the meantime.
Also a word of warning, Mokuton’s bind doesn’t disable or stun the enemy, so it’s pretty useless against archers and wizards since they can still cast skills.
Edit: Plus what Ginbei said below
Correct me if im wrong, shinobis bind can be dispelled by scrolls/Cure/PD’s
Hook cant, as its a lvl 10 debuff.
Yes, I do realize it May be blocked by blood letting, I will test that when I get to shinobi as one of the first things. You guys are far too negative and far too much in love with iron hook. It almost requires another CC to land it considering all the factors behind it but by all means. Also, fkin invisibility x2. You can almost wait out PD’s bloodletting or just wait for a situation when your team CC’s to jump out and burst people down.
If you want to believe in one golden rule of playing a swordsman in pvp and never try to be creative I can see why you see the need to do it on characters different then swordie.
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Any other CC can easily be removed, even without bloodletting.
Meanwhile ktos made it so that dispel scrolls work in arena, there is no telling when we are getting in itos, if at all.
Edit: nobody ever said Iron Hook is 100% reliable, but its by far more reliable than any other CC in swordsman’s arsenal
If you wanted actual CC you should be going knockbacks/knockdowns anyways.
If you guys ever do get to 5v5 leagues on your swordie I welcome challenges. Prefereably with a wager.
Oh, you mean press X button for safe landing?
What @Ginbei said.
When your Barbarian stuns don’t land due to the enemy team’s PD then you will feel it.
Being creative is fine and all, but you think the Koreans weren’t creative? They’ve had league PVP long before us and tried all of this before we even got the game in iTOS.
The enemy’s PD won’t let you “wait out” the fight until bloodletting is over, they know they only have 20 secs (the updated nerfed version) so they will end it before that 20 secs is up. Plus, as Ginbei said, bloodletting is only 1 thing to worry about, there are items that give dispeller effect too that can remove stuns.
Also Knockback / Knockdown is bad because u have to chase them down. Hard to do when you have other people attacking you too.
To be fair, it could work if pinning someone to a wall, doing knockback that is, but i can only see it be viable for a 1v1 duel.
I don’t know, I’ve watched some korean battleleague videos and the shinobi (Hop > Corsair) would consistently hook 3 enemies out of stealth and secure the match for his team, It is too game changing IMO to be looked over.
Let’s meet in the league then and see if you can put it to practice.
I don’t ever intend to PVP with a swordsman unless they fix the whole class later down the track.
Also what’s the point of meeting me in league? You’re dealing with other teams with PD 99.9% of the time so maybe u should worry about how to counter them instead?
If you want to PVP, go Cataphract c3 > Dragoon. I’ve said this on these forums countless times already. But if you must PVP without Cataphract c3, at least get a minimum of corsair c1 for the hook and c2 Hoplite + Dragoon or Shinobi to even stand a chance. If you don’t have Cataphract c3 or even corsair c1 in your “PVP” build, then just reroll already, save yourself the pain later on.
@matheuscrosara1 Yes this is also becoming more popular now, but you still need corsair c1 to hook.
Figures. See you around.
The hole point of this build is to be relevant in pvp without going cata 3 > dragoon. What was beeing discussed a while back was: Going C3 barbarian or going C2 with doppel, corsair is necessary IN MY OPINION .
Any inputs reguarding the doppel vs barbarian c3 ?
In the current meta both are trumped by spear builds / Shinobi because of spear lunge, this may change though when / if the new Barbarian changes get carried over to our version
enemey that under Iron hook cc, still can block or not ?
or dodge with high eva