Tree Of Savior Review (Level 280), TL;DR Trash game

[wrntdk]

Same shitty as always.

The most fun fact is to read here guys comming from B&S and crying about bots, hacks, goldseller, fps issues, bad lore. Those guys sure played B&S? Because those were the same problem there… And guess what? It’s STILL the problem there.

So, do us a favor and try to show real problems into the game. Bots, goldsellers and hacks are in EVERY GAME (From WoW to Black Desert. If you never saw one, kill yourself). FPS issues are the problem with every new MMO. Bad lore is the same shitty that say that you don’t love romantic books or criminal cases. It’s just your taste.

The only real problem that I can really point is the mobs spawn rate. It would be better to increased the respawn and lower to the ground the exp, if it was to just hold us back. Like 1% per hour. I really want those old days that was needed days to get just one level. But guess what? The community would complain in the same way. So, who cares about mine, or the op, shitty opinion?!

[Chaos_Bolt]

Honestly, even if his points are true, the way he comes off and talks about people is disgusting. Just because you don’t like a game doesn’t mean you get to criticize the people who do enjoy it. Keep comments like that to yourself because it is not wanted or needed. It made your entire post laughable and I doubt anyone will take it seriously, not like it matters at this point anyway.

[Pappus]

, monsters has a big variety,

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[pseudo]

Who here remembers how much content was in RO on its ‘release’? Also who here remembers how ‘challenging’ it was?

All there was to do in RO on ‘release’ was to MVP hunt, and go into PVP rooms. That was it.

ToS, on its early-access, has worlds more in content than its inspiration. If you think RO was optimized at that time then I have a bridge I would like to sell you.

Who here remembers when Ragnarok Online was released? According to Google, it’s 2002. The standards were completely different then, and what was deemed ‘quality content’ was different from now. ToS is trying too hard to not try hard at all. Perhaps they’re correct, since they’re the ones riding sportscars on the backs of all you plebs who can’t help but make excuses for them every time someone writes a convincing review.

How many months- no, YEARS has this game been in development? How much is there to show for it? If you weigh those two together you will see that there is pretty much ■■■■ all that this game offers for anyone who has seen it all already. This game isn’t even half the game other games on the market are, even at launch. Don’t give me that “oh but they’re indie developers” crap because it’s not like they don’t have money to hire people who can do the job right with all the money you guys have thrown at them. That is also pretending that they don’t have another cash cow that has been going for around a decade in the form of Granado Espada.

Wake up, sheeple. OP’s review is completely correct, and no matter how many times you write “well cya” it wont affect how true his points are. He was planning to leave without you saying so, since the game is so garbage. Saying “find real things to get mad at the game for” is proof of how desperate half of you are to say that this game is holy sh``it, since you are blatantly ignoring the glaring issues.

You guys can have hurt feelings about these bad reviews all you want. It doesn’t stop them from being true. lol

[hanprofession]

you’re absolutely correct about everything. but you still sound like a little b t c h.

[corbray]

I’m not acting like a White Knight here. My point is, we should just wait, we aren’t obliged to play this game. If they don’t fix this issues, I will quit as well, but IMO, this game is far from finished.

Fully release in Korea for months, and how that turned out? A disaster. kToS is empty, no one plays anymore, because the game wasn’t finished when they released.

The main issues for me are: FPS, lack of balance between classes, spawnrate sux. We will see how much endgame content they release. People are impatient and they will quit the game eventually, just look at what happened with Archeage for example.

edit: After reading your changes in your post, I do agree that Bosses and World Bosses aren’t challenging and should be worked on. Right now, mobs > bosses. It doesn’t make sense ;D

[Ayalon]

I do agree with the points…BUT…

This game is rly in early stages so you shouldn’t think about it as a finished game. Although I know and do agree that there is a high standard for games nowdays and even new games have to adapt to that to be able to compete with others.

That’s a reason why I’m concerned about ToS too.

But unlike others I think this game has a much better and stronger core than other games nowdays and with time it could be one of the best games out there…we just don’t know if it will have enough time to become that… I hope so.

I played with BnS btw…and that game sux… that is as generic as any other lame games in the last years. Hell I didn’t even enjoyed it as much as Dragon Nest…and I’m not a fan of that one either.

Anyway what I’m actually most concerned from the points of op is Boss fights… None of the others are as big issues as that.(maybe bots…but they are rly in every game…and I dunno how could it be solved)

Bosses should be much more challanging…and I don’t mean they should one-shot us…or their HP should last for ages…
But rly more tactics should be when we fight against them. I hope this can become better too later.

[carloscolanta]

As a level 270 myself, I can confirm most of what he’s saying is true. Especially the gameplay part.

The only boss I remember is Poata.

[Akira.Yatsu]

PROS

1. I agree, IMC has done quite a bit for us.
2. Love it, i still cant get enough, I appreciate how they worked with SoundTEMP to get some of that sweet music from the old days.

CONS

1. I think IMC is working on this, as a company not as large as Blizzard they can’t, finx this issues as they are plagued with them. Blaming them is as crude and ridiculous as blaming the cops for the amount of crime going around. We all know there’s more to it.

2. Agree. Mechanics are simple and accessible to casuals. Then again aren’t all games supposed to be so? The animation looks very simple from the get go. I don’t know what you expected with the way the game is animated, designed and explained.

3. God yes, please IMC. Please.

4. Sad to read that. I havent been around that long to get even to level 100 (Started on day 1 but barely get ot level and play)

5. Agree. I don’t know who designed this, but as previous MMOS have proven to me. Game design is at an all time low for Korea. I haven’t seen an MMO from Korea with a good storyline. (Pardon me if this seems offensive or labeling. This is only my experience)

6. Eh, I think you’re expecting too much of a game like this.

7. IMC, Make enemies more complex, for fawks sake.

8. Havent got there, no idea. Sad to read this.

9. IMC can’t control the game as is with their servers as flawed and small as they are. I gope someday they will have enough money to fix this.

Overall. I think you do realize this game needs improvement, we all do. But your judgement of simple aspects like the aesthetics of characters and some of the mechanics are too early to judge so hard.
Good luck on finding a better MMO out there, it’s a barren land out there.

[Remiri]

Holy Chronocentrism Batman.

It is like you are forgetting that RO got 50-60 scores across the board and was generally regarded as ■■■■. I will say the same thing I said to those people back in RO days.

If the game is so garbage, then gtfo. Less noise, and no one will miss you. Run along.

[Braveheart]

Have to agree with some of the points made, although the OP didn’t really have to post it in such a… negative way. Still like the game though and hopefully it improves over time, can’t please everyone sadly.

[jeremysantillan196]

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[Endurance]

CONS

1. Gold selling / botting - Even before the game becomes f2p, gold sellers fueled by rampant botting is out of control. The influx of gold from these botters have artificially pushed prices of high level items and much needed materials out of control. This problem will only get far worse once these botters can create accounts for free. IMC’s daily ban is cute, but futile. As if this poorly optimized game needs more lag, the spam from gold sellers further pile on to this problem.

2. This is an accessible / casual game - Just take a look around class forums to see the depth of discussion regarding game mechanics. Its obvious that this is a casual game that draws in stupid / lowly educated kids with its accessibility. Gameplay is about as challenging as Euro truck simulator.

3. FPS optimization is a joke - Even with a rig that runs BF4 on ultra at butter smooth 60fps, I face fps issues in this ugly little game. The game engine coders for this game are about as incompetent as the game designers themselves.

4. Monotonous gameplay. If i covered up the levels and damage numbers, you probably won’t be able to tell the difference between level 120 gameplay and level 280 gameplay. The game is the same at 280 as it is at 120. Current end-game content is Earth Tower, a dungeon as boring as all the other ones you’ve encountered and just as non-challenging.

5. Quest storyline conceived with the maturity of an 8 year old - The lore of this game is a cringeworthy joke. Coming out of BnS, I expected Korean mmos to start churning out interesting quest storylines. Instead, we get this childish 8 year old fantasy garbage. Did the developer outsource the writing to his kid?

6. Character equipment looks dull - Absolutely zero effort went into developing character equipment. The end game legendaries are called ‘Lolopanther’. The models of these ‘legendary’ items look like the same trash you’ve been wearing throughout the first 280 levels. You can be dressed in full legendary gear and nobody would notice if they don’t right click you. For a game that is all fluff, at least have throw in some fluff in the gear department.

7. Bosses are a joke - What more can you expect when they throw in a couple of bosses in every zone. How much effort do you think they could’ve possibly put into boss mechanics? I do not remember the name of a single boss in any of the dungeons i’ve run. I could much less remember their abilities. I ■■■■ you not that all I did in ALL the boss fights was spam my skill rotation with blatant disregard for anything they threw at me.

8. World bosses - World bossing is one of the core end-game contents. You can technically start hunting them at 170+ or even earlier but in a competitive server like mine, you get nowhere if you’re not in one of the 6 parties filled with 250 lvl + players. If you’re not a high damage burst build then the lag would pretty much render you irrelevant. It doesn’t matter if you have high single target dps, you need those dps to come in quick bursts from a few skills. Even if your party can reliably down these bosses and be in top 6 dps to get the cube, the whole experience feels like a nightmare due to the lagfest.

9. Spawn rates are disgustingly low. In a game where death has near zero consequence, why have the developers chosen to set spawn rates at such dismal levels? Do you think that if more players started dying your game will not be casual enough to attract the lowest common denominator of gamers? Isn’t the whole point of a hack and slash mmo to enjoy hacking and slashing non stop through endless waves of monsters?

Overall, this is another trash Korean mmo that is riding on the success of Ragnarok Online and its wonderful art design. Hopefully they can squeeze some money out of stupid fanboys and dumb kids before this mediocre game crash and burns in the near future.

EDIT - 3 hours from post. A horde of otaku nerds have descended (or ascended from their basements) defending their beloved game with faulty logic and ad hominem attacks. It should be obvious what sort of pathetic demographic this game targets. Pimple filled pre-pubescent boys sleeping with waifu pillows. This is not an mmo for anyone who values substance over style.

1. RMT’ers trade talt to their buyers and they sell it to NPC for 5k each, while the rest of the legit playerbase in the game suffer from restrictions… yeah IMC’s approach at dealing with the situation was very poor and frustrating, it will no doubt kill their game

2. I too can’t stop laughing at the amout of idiots on this forums coming up with these ridiculous builds… their theory on how skills work from the beginning to end game is usually false, and they come back to the forums to complain about underpowered job classes vs the overpowered ones… no every job is equal its just either the completely f%^& up their stat distribution, or they just choose random circles as they go by and by the time they hit 170ish they realize they have absolutely no synergy and constantly have to switch weapons to pull off AoE’s and rebuff

3. it was much better in iCBT… idk what the hell happened! it seems every maintenence, the server performance and fps gets even worst

4. no. the developers outsourced the quests and translation files to the community via github

5. couldn’t be any worst than Elder Scrolls Online… you can be level 1 ~ 10 wearing tattered leather armor, and then be veteran 1 ~ 10 wearing tattered leather armor with rusted pieces of iron plating sticking out the shoulders

6. I found that every boss was easy except necroventer, even at high levels that thing hits a fair amount of damage

7. I could rant all day about a particular group of “elitists” camping dullahan 24/7 and making cube unboxing videos just to show off

8. This never really bothered me but I see topics about it all the time

I find that this game is much more similar to Secrets of Solstice / Final Fantasy Tactics and not Ragnarok Online.

[jgtogi]

I don’t get how a person can play a game for hundreds of hours and then say it is the worse thing ever. It I s madness. Clearly this guy found the game enjoyable at some point or he would have stopped playing long before he reached 280. It is not like they added some controversial game breaking feature yesterday or something to merit such a response. This person seems deeply disturbed and is going through some kind of post relationship hate for something he use to love. The funny thing is it isn’t a woman is acting so irrational over but a MMORPG.

[Remiri]

People get to endgame for an early access niche MMO and expect WoW-Level content.

[judex]

I heard Ragnarok failed with 3rd Jobs released but I unno.

[juutilainen1929]

I don’t get how a person can play a game for hundreds of hours and then say it is the worse thing ever.

Tell that to people playing MOBAs.

[Sixaxis]

OP Master Baiter:

ryanterry92

[hanprofession]

do you remember the kid that tried to shove a keyboard up his bum because his parents wouldn’t let him play WoW? same logic applies. or the lack of.

[Feena]

The points made ring true, but most people (including myself) do not like to see a game in which he/she enjoyed bashed into the ground. All we can do is hope for IMC to slowly fix the flaws, and if not, well ■■■■.