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#61

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But you know… all of Inquisitor skill is phy not magic…
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AFAIK malleus is magic.

Clerics can do a mix of physical and magic without sacrificing damage for either.

You can counter wiz with mdef and ele resist/reduc but usually at the cost of sacrificing damage and/or pDef. You can counter pAtk classes with pDef, blocks and evasion but usually at the cost of sacrificing damage and/or mDef.

Most meta cleric builds don’t experience either problems.

Clerics are just more efficient in terms of gear dependency compared to other class trees. Rarely there is a need to use counter gear sets for them.

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#62

Clerics are balanced, although I do find that a couple of cleric classes are over balanced compared to the others. The bird beak, green icon class can out dps almost all the other red classes in the entire cleric tree, based for PVP yet still outshines most of the classes that are positioned for PVE.

One of cleric’s weak points is the lack of hard crowd control spells (besides druid’s telepath). This is perhaps the reason why the game developers buff cleric’s ability to mitigate damage. Most of cleric’s spells are of damage mitigation.

It will be really good if other base classes also receive the same treatment done to the clerics. Starting with ‘dispellers’ for each class tree, then extend the abilities of each base class so that each of them are truly unique.

For example, Swordsman base ability is heavy melee attacks, buff their ability in a way to make it difficult for opponents to even get away from their melee range once they hit close quarters.

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#63

I think it will be good if they add movable/I-frame skill to swordman & archer class.

Wiz class… no idea. if IMC don’t setting MDEF of lvl 300+ too insane like this. I don’t see anything bad about those class.

#64

That’s what Restrain is for.
But hey, let’s just slap Bloodletting and yall good to go, now go kill that useless SW3 donkey.
Or… recently, Miko? swing that stick and BAM, gone, goodluck with 1 more min cooldown. :joy:

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#65

Bloodletting only has around 20 sec duration on an 80 sec cooldown. just saying…

Also for the ones that would like to know the Fedimian TBL ladder:

Fedimian TBL 5v5.png449×600 247 KB

At least it’s not so dark and gloomy on Fedimian as others would like to think. Pretty balanced chart if you ask me.

#66

I’d more like to see what it’s like on a Sunday evening as that’s usually the time where a lot of clerics have already climbed up - at least that’s what normally happens in our server.

#67

I’ll post one on sunday as well then. Our 5v5 are always mixed like this.

#68

i somewhat think sea is more competitive server.

waiting to see silute/klapeida tbl ranking

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#69

and on what facts do you base that opinion? Thin air I presume?

I’m sorry our ladder shows more diversity.

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#70

@haukinyau1 @ontherox11 I think it’s more because of population than diversity.

Let’s assume all players are evenly split on all 4 classes and play 5v5 TBL (let’s not talk about 2v2 as that one does cater more to diversity):

Server1 = 1k players (250 players per class tree)
Server2 = 200 players (50 players per class tree)

We take into account that nearly all cleric builds are viable for PVP now, and not all builds from the 3 other class trees are.

This means that there are 200 more clerics from Server1 that will likely rank high in TBL than from Server2.

There’s more chance that a team in Server1 will comprise of at least 1 cleric, increasing the winning chance for that team and the cleric himself.

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#71

and this is still based on numbers that come from??
they are all assumptions.

All I wanted to show is that TBL doesn’t only comprise of Clerics everywhere.

It’s safe to say that a lot of skills are unbalanced in pvp, yet everyone focusses on one aspect and then try to base them on the TBL ladders. When I post the Fedimian TBL ladder suddenly it’s not valid due to thin air? :frowning:

Happy gaming everyone, we’ve made it this far with ToS and it’s bugs. let’s continue to have some fun.

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#72

im sorry for your sorry

try compete in olympic with only 3 participant, all 3 of u get medals. So. Freaking. Competitive.

before i go to reliable assumption or reasonable guessing, let me remind u, sea has higher general pop than u fedimian+klapeida+orsha combined.

just say, 1k pop for both telsai and varena, we got okish tbl time 7pm and 10pm locally. We omit the 5am tbl.

lets say only 10% of 1k ppl play tbl. Thats 100ppl competing for limited top 10 tbl.
If thats not competitive, show me your fedimian have 1k population and 100ppl joining tbl on daily basis.

at best, ur fedimian only about 500pop, 10% is 50ppl fighting for 10slot. Yupe.
thats. so. competitive.

if orsha tbl not linked to klapeida, i think a swordman2pelt3 can even enter top10 tbl.

also, im only considering average pop.

sorry, none of the above numbers are factual, but atleast, its reasonable.

again, im sorry for ur low pop fedimian.

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#73

It’s even a generous assumption, really. Come to SEA on a Sunday night and look at the 5v5 TBL ladder if you want numbers.

A lot of players I know in-game have rerolled clerics for PVP, mostly archers.

Maybe you’re right that there’s just way too many clerics in SEA and diversity is real in your server. :joy:

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#74

coz no competition, even full int squire3 can enter top10 tbl in a 10person cat fight.

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#75

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#76

all you guys do is [quote=“haukinyau1, post:72, topic:342948”]
just say
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While I’m showing you an actual screenshot of the Fedimian TBL ladder just now. “Let’s say” your assumption has somewhat of a merit, even then it doesn’t support the idea of clerics running rampant in TBL. Even if Fedimian has a small population, still according to your assumption our ladder should be overwhelmed by clerics as well…

It’s just not true.

So anyways, I can’t compete against ‘Assumptions’ and I can’t be arsed too either.

I’m still having fun with the game and apparently so are you guys, or you would’ve quit playing. I can’t imagine people playing against their will :wink:

I’m out, have a great one!

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#77

u should, coz u just turning blind eyes to a very reasonable posibility.

but, its okay, game is for fun to you eu guys. different culture i guess.

sea used to fierce competition even for the most useless things.

mathematically speaking, smaller sample size tend to produce unreliable statistic/trend.

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#78

The keyword in that response is “small population”.

Again…

I guess the dude below has a good TLDR example on that:

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#79

im specialized in tldr

huehuehue

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#80

Crap, i’m forced to take the bait… :slight_smile:

Again an assumption that doesn’t hold any merit. You’re claiming that Fedimian TBL only has 10 players?

Good discussion ;). Now I’m really out.