Excellent suggestions, and if that were the case I would buy a token every month.
Any new player will use their trades up quickly then be forced to pay premium silver prices for tokens as the game goes on. When more money gets into circulation, token prices will increase to the point where players arenāt going to get them anytime until far in the future. They may be 150k now, but they could be millions in the future as the amount of silver that exists in the game increases.
Sadly, the market system is slow and extremely limited, as well as the huge tax thatās imposed. It would be preferable to contact others and trade directly your more expensive items. Saying that non-token users are forced to use the market that only lets them put up one item and that they cannot get their money until two days later is ridiculous. How are they going to get those millions of silver that theyāll eventually need for tokens as the game goes on?
This is not something you can compromise. Its all or nothing. Theyāre still charging for trade under your suggestion, which is still something that should be free. If I were F2P, I would not be satisfied with that.
We need three things back that will make me want to stay as a customer: Free Trade, Free Market, and Team Storage. These things are not something you charge a player in an MMORPG. If you want money, you charge for cosmetics like every other F2P MMO. If you put in a few cat ears, swimsuits, and shirtless man muscles for the guys, people will pay for these things easily.
Poor first impressions can dishearten a player early on, and things like trade hiding behind a paywall is one of them. It leaves a bad taste on the mouth, whether you have money or not, which causes players to leave sooner. It begs the question āDo I really want to support these scumbags?ā Even Scrooge, with all his money, can find empathy to those who were less fortunate than he was, so a player who can pay for tokens can be just as disgusted with this as someone who doesnāt, and choose not to pay either.
I would buy token if i could trade as much as i wanted. good suggestions above. As it looks now, if this doesnāt change by the end of early access. I dont know if me and my friends will continue to play the game.
This needs to have as much attention as we can, so iāll also give my thoughts.
Everyone knows that trading is such a core element of a game. OF LIFE, really. Imagine if you couldnāt trade money for food, cellphones, transportation, EVERYTHING. If this sounds absurd IRL, why shouldnāt it be in-game? RMTs represent not but just a small portion of the community of this game. You are literally wreaking all your players because 1% of them arenāt of good will.
It isnāt acceptable that we have to pay for something so simple as trading. And worse, paying for something that isnāt even fair! Why the hell can we just trade 30 times per month? Why are the market taxes so high? Only 1 item, really?!
Letās make a quick simulation here:
Imagine youāre a new player in a new zone. Hey, you dropped a bow! But the item is so low lv thatās not worth it putting up on the market, and isnāt profitable to sell to NPCs. But hey! You see an Archer walking around and you decide to give him the bow because, WHY NOT? You wonāt use it anyway. 29 trades left
You and your friend are dungeoning together so you can gather pieces of equipment. Imagine if you want plate armors, and your friend leather or cloth armors. Worst case scenario, you get all cloth armors on the first day. 25 trades left. Second day, your friends gets all the plate armors. 21 trades left. See how easy can it be to simply use all of your trades in just a couple days? AND NO, i donāt want to restraint HOW MUCH I ENJOY THE GAME because you want me to. This is utterly ridiculous.
At least, if weāre going to pay for something so essential as trading, make it so that we can use it freely. This limitation is absurd, and iāll say it as much time as we need.
And, please, think of the other players if you donāt agree with this. Itās ok if itās not going to affect you directly, but have a little of empathy. Think of the community as a whole, not you as a single player. Watching all this happening is making me really, really sad, because i want to enjoy this game to its fullest. Thereās so much potential, the game is already so complete and full of awesome things, think of what it could give us in the future! I want to see this game bloom, as much as you do. Agreeing with me, or not, one thing is certain: you want to play this game as much as we do. And if the game closes its doors, none of us will play.
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And letās make an effort to not let any of this threads die. We need to scream as loud as we can, so things (maybe) will get better!
I want to add too that thereās no way to stop gold sellers. As some already said, and iāll repeat, they donāt care what current state the game is on. Theyāll have their profit anyway. And itās not as severe as everyone is making it seem: even though its annoying as ā ā ā ā , its lagging the servers and all that, the most important part - the market - wonāt be as nearly as affected as everyone is thinking. Itās really, really hard to RMTs to break any market becauseā¦ it takes too much effort, for little to no purpose. Canāt say the same about the ones who buy it, though.
I totally agree with you fully, this is exactly how i feel about the matter too! Trading is such a important part of a mmo just like you said.
Just yesterday me and my so wanted to trade mats so i could craft a piece of headgear. He canāt help me gather the mats and i canāt help him if he wants something, it really did bum me out a lot. It really got me upset because i cant help my friends get something they really want or surprise them with gifts. Or even help out a random stranger if i have gear left over.
The token is ridiculous too, why wont they lets us atleast trade as much as we want. come on.
I have never seen a game do this before, its just appalling. And we should fight for getting the change we want and make ourselves heard.
I think itās horrible that you canāt trade without a token, but whatās even worse is that weāre limited to a small number of trades a month. There are no vendors on the streets, and the auction house is very limited.
Please introduce a trading system thatās not gimped, allow us to play with other people, allow us to help/receive help, allow us to set proper vending which includes all the market classes. Please allow trading between people so we can have fun.
Wonderful post, but because this isnāt in the feedback section i donāt think the GMs or developers will read this.
No trading completely kills grouping with friends. Need a rare drop? Canāt do it with friends because if they get the drop, you cannot trade it. Thereās zero point of playing with friends currently.
When f2p comes out, thereās going to be a lot of negative feedback. Itās going to be crazy.
Could request the whole thread be moved to the feedback section by a mod, since there is a lot of excellent discussion and suggestions going on here. Or someone can simply make a post in the feedback section linking most of the discussion posts. That way they would see all of it.
@GM_Francis @GM_Sebastian @STAFF_Ethan @STAFF_Ines @STAFF_J @STAFF_John @Staff_Julie @STAFF_Shawn
Please read this thread and take heavy consideration for the sake of the future of your game. Also, please move to the feedback/suggestions forum if need be.
A : Hey B! I got this RARE Weapons I wanna give it to you~
B : Ugh we cant trade~ Put it in AH~
A : puts in AH
C : Uuhhh nice RARE Weapons~ grabs it quick
B : Where is the item?? @.@
I was actually done here; since I got my points off with very little powerful arguments against me and I find this.
If you are talking about dungeon gear or raid gear (Purple/Gold w/e); then you are barking up the wrong tree. That stuff is always bound, itās standard in every MMO. You should know this, but you are using it as an argument point so Iām going to assume no. So stop right there. Iām talking about standard things from monsters in the field to help bridging the gap in levels such as recipes and other random drops. You know; the TRADE-ABLE stuff.
Might as well not be there. Players are becoming heavily anti-social in MMOs and they are becoming increasingly tolerant of shitty systemsā¦ Like this.
[quote=ārayuki, post:151, topic:158323ā]You should treat the 1:1 trading in ToS as a additional Feature and not like the standard in MMO gaming.
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How about no? Iām not going to treat a bad system with any kind of respect; because itās bad. Iām going to critique it. Iām going to point out itās flaws. I treat things how I wish based on well over a decade of online gaming experience. People like you that just roll over and take the ā ā ā ā bacon are the reason MMOs are becoming stagnant.
Since you are okay with 1:1 trading behind a paywall in a F2P game; I bet you are alright with all of this behind paywalls too? (Additional costs or increased cost of the token)
- Letās just put teleporting using the statues behind paywalls like Sixaxis said.
- Letās put dungeon entry behind a paywall.
- Letās put entering town behind a paywall.
- Letās put using the chat behind a paywall.
At this point might as well be subscription or even worse; a really horrible single player game; however it isnāt. Itās a F2P MMO with heavy restrictions to ācombat against gold sellersā (Btw; you canāt win this Crusade without killing your game) that over time people; like yourself; continue to just roll over and accept the ā ā ā ā bacon.
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The biggest issue is what if you are a class like an alchemist? The entire point of that class is to make money. You cannot even sell your wares. Completely useless class.
This whole game is useless just dont play till they ā ā ā ā ā ā ā fix their ā ā ā ā and then maybe they will understand.
Vote with your wallets. Iām definitely not spendind a single dime on ToS until they fix those major issues.
Hope you like, thereāll be plenty more until things change or the game dies due to no one supporting.
Enjoy your dead game if you think this will last without a healthy player base to actually spend money. Instead of having 10 players throw in $10 here or there, I hope you can scrounge up $100 regularly when those other 9 left the game due to being frustrated or just arenāt going to fall for these scams and you need to pick up the slack.
I will thanks.
You can have your but this will affect you too when no one plays and the game dies.
The saddest part is, I play with four other people and most of them would happily spend money on this game if the cash shop wasnāt so bad. We joke about how crappy the trading is. If IMC were to give players their basic features in a F2P game, theyād certainly make more money from my group of friends.
Like something will drop for our Priest and weāll announce it. Then we all bitterly laugh, maybe our Priest sighs and we move on. That weapon upgrade theyāve been looking for? Nope. Itās vendor trash or market fodder. Weāre a party of friends who can barely even interact with each other. Iām surprised you donāt have to pay for EXP sharing.
Thereās no loot system.
You canāt trade with friends unless everyone drops money.
The market is severely limiting and has time gates on just because.
Itās likeā¦ weāre all fans of Tree of Savior. We want to spend money. Most of us already have. But we want to spend more. IMC is not making this easy on us. I can promise IMC this. If Tree of Savior continues to restrict trading, storage and loot rolls, they wonāt make a single dollar off of me and my five friends.
If this game was less P2W and had reasonable cash shop prices (seriouslyā¦ $18.00 USD for a token? Not even FFXIV or WoW charge that much for their released game monthly) theyād make more money, at least where my circle of friends are concerned. IMC wants us to spend $90.00 USD collectively, when we would happily spend $45.00 at minimum if this game was moreā¦ user friendly. But for now, IMC will get nothing from us.
token are sold for 150k-250k right now wich you can get in uhmā¦2 hours farming - 2 hours for 1 month sounds good im well set for a yearā¦better get as many as possible in the early stage of the gameā¦ppl are desperate for silverā¦well why not silver op op xDD