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TOS can't be epic with cooldown system!

I’m not sure that would be very fun logistically. Using keyboard and mouse controls you’d be trying to dodge attacks, jumping around and all that while spamming the 1 key the whole time? I think RO it worked a bit better since if you were an auto-atk build you had something to do regulating your health with healing items. But slapping pots while you’re moving around or trying to dodge choreographed attacks probably less fun.

[Reply to OP] This isn’t RO anymore. It’s ToS. Let it have its own game mechanics, and enjoy them.
I played RO for a few, and it was a joke spamming a few buttons all the time without any cool down.

I didnt have any problems with the cool downs while playing CBT + considering the fact that you will have a good number of spells in your arsenal after reaching class ranks 4 to 6/7, there will be a lot of spells to use, and combinations to come up with. Let the spell cool down stay.

+1 to retaining the spell Cooldown mechanics

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Ohh Sideway Point.

Cute Profil Picture.
Is that an chibby Lamia? ^^

Its exactly what balances between having a lot of weak skills or two strong skills. It’s what balances going different classes and not having to go c3/c3/? in the build. It opens more options, make things equally viable. If you can make a constant rotation for a wiz 3 for an example, then we will have big balance problems and few options later.

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That would mean i could spam stabbing and pierce and I’ll be able to solo more effectively. Hehe! But I’m already okay with the present cooldown.

Ya please no CDs! i Wanna plant my firewall on every possible inch of the PvP arena! Or making a huuuge line “you shall not pass” xD Or imagine monks only running around and spamming energy blast xD Or an oracel summons mobs over and over and over!!! a full army of mobs!! xD incredible exp

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oh, thanks! a chibi Lamia works! (flattered) but its my character from another MMO :relaxed:

Just play RO if you really want those features…

And to the OP that posted the NO CD idea… There are a lot of games out there that provides what you want, e.g. Idle Games. You can button smash with those games, like what you’ve wanted…

I really want ToS to be as unique as the devs see it. And as far as I have played it, I don’t have major complains about it. It’s good as it appears to be.

That’s why I’m still here playing the Waiting game…

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If I’m not mistaken, the potions have 30s cd, that’s already very low given the pace of the game.

“if you don’t abuse”? what is this ‘correct way’ you speak of?
if the system intentionally allows it then where is the abuse in that?

I said it earlier on why no CD pot is bad but I’ll repeat it again.
If you allows for potion spam (or any healing spam really), then players will be able to survive any damage that isn’t one-shot kill. As a result this means the dev will have to either put in those one-shot mechanic, enrage timer (which technically still belongs to ‘one-shot’ after the time limit) or the game loses any tension.
This is not just some hyperbole talk either, we have seen this before with WoW’s raid bosses. At one point you ends up with a situation where all healers must spam the main tank or he’ll die if he take 2 hits in a row.

That sort of balancing act WILL affect everyone, not just those who potion spam.

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ikr! luckily i had link and join them together or else they waste their skills… muahahaha

I actually like having to think about when and how to use my spells/skills. Braindead button mashing is the biggest reason I stopped playing most of the MMOs I’ve ever laid my hands on.

So I’m perfectly fine with the system being the way it is.

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This game will be a new epic legend anyways.
Substract that epic of yours and it’s still be a legend.
:wink:

i currently FFXIV games which with cd pot ( 1 min for lowest rank potion) and gcd (global cooldown) skill but with a few off gcd skill (but high cd).
the game is soloable in open world and enjoyable. and still successful game.

no cd in pot or skill are for brain dead player since there no skill needed, no strategy/skill rotation needed. just eat boss skill and spam pot. weak potency skill will be ignore (like in RO) and strongest skill will be used to spam.

gamers this days already silver spoon too much. need to throw them into wilderness with only knife for once

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My honest opinion, Cooldowns are a good thing and we should not remove them, there are plenty of games that have no cooldowns if you want that my kind suggestion is you try them out and leave ToS the awesomeness it is :wink:

Just learn to prioritize situations and use your skills when you actually need them instead of just using all your skills on every mob etc, like one lovely WoW rogue video in the old days said, I need all my skills to just kill one player!! haha good times, cooldowns for the win.

RO was the most balanced game i ever played (pre-renewal ofc)

Insert Maniac Laugh Here

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Sure, said like that, once again, it’s the worst feature ever; But that’s the problem.

Like you said, “if the system intentionally […]”. I shall develop more so.
Abuse and correct way, it’s a human state of mind, bad habits of humans, a matter of moral.
The “correct way” means to not spam the key all the time like a maniac, just to use when it’s really necessary.
But the human nature… Well… Maniacs are everywhere, I know, they “abuse” of this system, f*** off the correct way.

This “abuse” is okay because it’s legal/authorized/allowed. So it’s a totally normal behaviour for everyone now… Even if it’s still a “moral abuse”, even if it brocks everything. Do you understand what I mean?

Just to re-say that no CD healing items (not skills) can be a fun feature, if used with parcimony.
But I know… No one knows the meaning of that word… :weary:

how did we end up talking about human nature when this post is about cooldown system… life is a mystery XD

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How can someone tell about “correct way” of a game mechanic ? Tomorrow he’ll tell us the right side of toilet paper.
Some people like no CD system, others like a CD, don’t have the right way, both can be balanced.

If you tell that RO was imbalanced pre-renewall you definitely never played a good WoE, and if you tell CDs are imbalanced, you never played vanilla WoW.

Because ad spamming was so balanced am i right? Poor ws/lk/sinx so useless in woe/gvg.