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Tokens -> Immediate Attributes? You mean Pay2Win?

You’re stating something that happens in literally almost every MMORPG. There will always be paying players and free players. Of course being a paying player you get more benefits since they “pay” for it. Which is obvious since paying for something usually gives some sort of benefit in any scenario. 198 TP might seem like a small number but once they add actual TP sales, 198 TP would cost around $10-15. So either way people who spend to get what they want still have to get that money from somewhere. If it’s their money it’s given that they can spend it on whatever they want.

Also “In other words, all the in-game money flows from free players to people who pay real money. That’s the problem.” How is that a problem? This is literally what happens in every single MMORPG. If you really wanted none of this to happen which would be absolutely ridiculous seeing how game servers/companies need some form of funding to even stay upright.

Of course people with money will have control over the economy. It’s how life is. People with money have more leisure than those without its a given.

By the way in-game economy is quiet stable. Seeing how IMC has the whole low/high barrier for prices on the Market. (Of course there has to be a certain amount of the item being listed up for it to make an adjustment) but still it’s quiet good.

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Nothing in the game is P2W so far.

I’m happy that you aren’t just throwing insults willy-nilly, I appreciate that. :> Let me try to answer you:[quote=“velastia, post:117, topic:216652”]
I don’t know your definition of a “P2W” game
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In this instance, I am basically defining “p2w” as “the ability to obtain in-game currency through real-life currency.”

The reason I use that definition in this instance is because the reason I enjoy playing ToS is because of the PvE and the leveling process, and also leveling new and different characters to experiment and play with class possibilities. Getting exorbitant amounts of silver at early levels translates to ease of fighting/leveling through better attributes and better equipment, which is something non-paying players cannot due regardless of whether the token is obtainable on the market through players purchasing with irl cash and then selling for silver; if you do not purchase a token with irl cash, you will have to level to get money much more arduously than someone who can simply sell a token, ■■■■ themselves out in new crazy equips and attributes, and then steamroll through the early levels (which might be fun to do, but I can’t say I’ve had that opportunity).

Not only does it create a disadvantage through ability to level attributes and obtain the highest-end equipment, it also allows the token-buyers to dictate the markets and own the economy.

As a token-user myself, I’d say I have been able to comfortably afford most things I want/need without too much issue, but the whole reason it’s been possible is due to having the ability to post more then 1 item on the market place (token benefit). If I was only able to post 1 item at a time at a 30% loss to my profits, I would not have half the things I currently have. I can guarantee that. And I know that making my first 500k was not a very easy task, even while having the token benefits–I was probably level 90+ before I broke 500k, and I would personally consider that pretty far into the game, not to mention it would have taken even longer to break 500k if I wasn’t already benefiting from the token buff.

This, as a player focused on PvE who wants to make sure my early/mid-game leveling is on-par with other players, creates the perspective of “P2W” since token-users are given such early game advantage, and token-buyers are given economic control.

I understand that anyone can purchase a token as long as players are selling them and I understand that silver in the late game is not difficult to come by, but getting to that late game is much more difficult and tedious without instant token access, and none of that changes the fact that 198 TP is what initially brings EVERY token into existence, and that token-buyers can dictate the market and the economy. That’s my interpretation of P2W. :0

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Of course there are benefits to paying. What would you do as a company? Get your head out of your ass and think straight for a second. You run a f2p model because you know that there are those that want to play your game. But would you not want to treat your vip’s better? You live in the real world? Imagine going to Vegas; you pay and gamble a lot of money and they treat you like a bum that drank all your water and dirtied the place. Get with the program and come back to earth you freeloading pos.

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You all realize this discussion is pointless right? IMC is not going to remove tokens or change them to silver purchase in game instead. They need a financial income and this guarantees it. So regardless of which side your on, tokens aren’t going anywhere.

It just bugs me when people complain about the benefits that are given to those who support the game with their money and allow them in the same process to play the game for free.

Truly eloquent. At least you’re agreeing with me that it’s P2W. Thank you!

ToS’s biggest appeal is the artstyle. They could easily make bank on strictly selling assortments of aesthetic changes while allowing literally everyone equal footing in the game regarding economy, stats, etc.

No; what I am saying is this. Get your head out of your ass. You are the type of person that want games to fail because you are a poor mother fcuker that doesn’t want to compete.

Right; so you’re agreeing with me that if you use real-life money, you are afforded benefits and advantages. So you’re agreeing with me. Thanks!

Edit: Just because you approve of the P2W model doesn’t mean it isn’t a P2W model.

Yet there are people that do not care for those aesthetics and play purely for the gameplay and awesome music!
And most of the unlockable costumes are way better than the ones you can purchase with TP.

I don’t care what you have to say, I don’t care what poor people say… What do you not understand? IMC doesn’t care what you poor mudda fcks have to say… so just take a step back and fck your own face.

I have never heard anything more true. Thought he spring dresses do see promising!

I think if they focused their efforts of visual improvements and benefits rather than …whatever else it is they’re doing, they’d come up with some really intriguing stuff. :<

You can already purchase Immediate Attributes without the token.

The thread’s title alone is false >.>

I am definitely the poorest man. Just read my quote from earlier:

So you bitch all day everyday or just today?

Do you cater to bitches all day everyday or just today? ;] With your moral compass I would have assumed that is beneath you.

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You’ve certainly presented an intriguing argument here. Very convincing. In fact, I’ve completely changed my mind about the matter and feel entirely different! :smiley:

Kappa.

In Aion, the premium status item is tradeable too.

I’d say more of the premium items should be tradeable. For those people that don’t have time to grind for silver because of work, why not offer a ‘legal’ way to purchase ingame currency? Why not offer those that don’t have a job and can’t afford premium items a chance to farm for them ingame?