so you want to nerf the only thing that is good at fletcher? haha what a joke
People are retarded, they just want the better for them
Still confused why people think the Concentrate buff (a Bonus damage effect that doesnât get boosted by skill/attribute/weakness/elemental multipliers) is comparable to x1.5 modifier that multiplies with attribute increase damage and other damage multipliers for abilitiesâŚ
Concentrate buff is really good for Sword classes that attack fast (Cataphract, Corsair. Fencer) and/or have really low damage output (Peltasta). If anything, the Restrain buff Swordsman got is what makes Sword C3 more appealing, not necessarily the Concentrate buff.
The buffs to Concentrate and Restrain certainly make investing in higher circles of Swordsman better, but nothing to really write home about unless youâre going for PvP or AoE CC builds.
The thing is, without quick cast, or even with some nerf, I would rather pick archer and combo with falconer/linker in ET, or SR2 if i were to go for DPS.
Archer can critical with more than 50% increased damage. Yes, the players need to invest more to reach this state, but itâs always of higher damage on a single or small amount of target.
You canât nerf quick cast or frost cloud in PVE right now, unless the intention is for wizard to be not a PVE DPS class. Nerfing them in PvP is okay though, as a 100% hit rate in PvP really do deserve some nerf.
Rather than nerfing, I think buffing other classes, or create more combo that can outperform quick cast+frost cloud is much more exciting for the players.
When you nerf a class, the meta player goes âMaybe i should reroll or quit the game because my character is now useless.â When you buff other classes, the player will goes âThat new build looks cool! Maybe I should reroll to that!â They are rerolling in both cases, but the mood is definitely different.
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Concentrate would shine against quick cast when mobs have a lot of defense and the wiz never heard of Int or using skills.
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they just nerfed the best move for ranger to our level on ktos
they will do it to fletcher and elememe eventually
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Again, this is not asking for making QC 0% damage. Iâm talking about the range of 20-30%, which should be sufficient.
Yes you will not be able to topple archer DPS with ease, and in fact, you should not be able to as well. You should be competing toe to toe for a DPS slot in ET party with other DPS.
SR2 build is not that good with the confirmed weak steady aim, and most archer AoE is smaller than wizard. Even with falconer I donât think archer stand a chance against wizard when it come to ET (and thatâs some niche builds for ET as well)
Well, weâll have to wait and see how KR react to the highlander nerf then.
Yeah, thatâs why I did not include everything in my calculation, and I use a very moderate weapon and attribute number
Also world boss calculation is not always fair, some bosses are ghost type so they take +50% magic damage by default
Again, archer has critical, which is much more than quick cast when geared. By reducing quick cast to far below critical damage, you are asking wizard to be much more geared than archer to deal the same DPS. Archer shouldnât be able to topple wizardâs DPS with ease.
Dont try to convince those stupid elememes. They are going to defend their class which built with a lot of effort, because, you know make a wiz c3 is super hard. They never are going to see why 50% damage for free means. Hoping IMC nerf qc and the bunch elememes rage quit.
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Funny you say that, because for how âincredibly HARDâ a wiz3 is (and I DO have a Wiz3-Kino3, so if youâre going to play that whole you canât say it till you try it, you can forget it and btw, Kino3 isnât that great a payoff compared to Ele3, PVE wise), youâd think that it would be a not so popular class but as far as my server goes, Ele3-War (you could make a case for QS3 too but still) are the most common class I see, and also having the most level 280s and CONSTANTLY needed in grinding parties and heck, even ET maybe. Could it POSSIBLY be that there is SOMETHING about the class that makes it such a META?
Apparently not, because Wiz3 is really tough life! Yeah.
Actually archer should topple wizard DPS, archer is the only tree without any support class, thatâs the only true DPS tree in TOS.
But well, letâs ignore that fact for now.
Critical requires a lot, and I mean A LOT of investment. You have to continuously pump your DEX and crit rate to keep your chance high. And by adding DEX and crit rate, you lose out the raw damage. If you aim for full crit archer (which is impossible btw, but thatâs the only way to be equivalent to 50% QC), you are left with very low STR (below 50 STR), meaning very low base damage. While wizard has the luxury of building whatever combination of CON + INT they like, archer simply canât.
To put numbers into perspective, at level 280, you need 666 + target crit resistance to be able to crit 100% of the time. You can gain around 375 crit rate from DEX (300 base DEX + 25% swift step, since you will need some CON). And with gears you can hope for what? 500-550 crit rate? With the average of 100-150 crit resistance, calculate for yourself how much crit chance that give.
And to give it another layer of difficulties, without STR, archer attacks will get blocked (hogma warrior, first floor of ET). You donât see that as a wizard.
So with that much investment, Iâd say itâs only fair that they should topple any wizard DPS. But currently it isnât the case.
Meanwhile wizard click 1 button = +50%, yeah, it really seems fair.
Alot is just subjective. For end game player, BIS gear for those crit rate is the bare minimum. 50m isnât even alot.
Critical is more than 50% damage due to the existence of additional critical attack. So they are about the same as 50% QC if you include that aspect.
In fact, you struggle to have 6k per tick with QC FC, while archer can easily deal more than that with the same equipment.
They do topple wizardâs DPS, just not in AOE. In fact, if you are not aiming for ET, archer + linker can gain a faster exp rate than the meta elememe party in grinding.
I do know that qs3 can outperform most elememe in terms of DPS during wb, with minimal investment. In fact, 5 qs3 outperform most non optimised elememe party in grinding, even in storage or maven abby.
Wrong, falconer, sapper, rogue. These are strong support class if you know when to use them. Falconerâs circling is just amazing. Sapper can help to detonate others magic circle during WB or PvP/GvG. Rogue can capture your enemyâs magic circle during PvP/GvG, or be a great DPS (even more than fletcher 3 with correct setup) during WB.
Iâm not going to list all class that can support with archer, but there are many more archer class thatâs built for supporting.
Which youâre unlikely to have in any serious amount if youâre going for 100% crit.
And if you donât go for the full crit, than youâd have less than 100% uptime of that âmore than 50% bonusâ which means âon averageâ itâs now less than that, possibly even be gasp less than 50%.
Full DEX = no crit attack, and even full DEX wonât give you 100% crit chance
You are talking like pressing 1 button is harder than a barrage of skills.
Take 2 to do the job of 1? Also your highest exp rate is with pelt, that doesnât mean pelt is good DPS, they are just efficient at grinding.
Ugh, not because they have some utilities mean they are support. Your elememe also has stone curse and freezing hail, does that categorize it as a support?
Like you said rogue can be greater DPS than fletcher 3, then why the hell rogue is a support?
'party buff that revolve specifically around crit atk-crit rate-crit resâ
Monstrance - (30% dex +10, meaning without having high Dex already itâs worthless)
Zalciai
- +crit attack and -crit res on mob (it also give via attribute m.amp
but I guess in your brain it doesnât matter, youâre probably gonna go
"oh itâs so little anyway")
2âŚwao, so MANY.
this reflect how much you know about the game, I can double than amount easily without even trying
So you agree that it isnât healthy, but somehow youâre defending itâŚokâŚ?
logic please⌠killing people is not right, but killing for self defense is somehow allowed. know the differences in the motive behind the action. like I said as long as people try to nerf classes because they feel jealous to that class, the eternal nerf everything until all swatted to the ground will never end
and honestly if you thing that 50% crit damage is ânot significant enoughâ, then you can make a new thread asking IMc to remove them altogether. that way, you will understand the value of that extra damage.
And when (the big IF) pyro is useful, what stopping people from going wiz 3 pyro 3?
good in paper⌠in reality the slow tick made them suffer. if frost cloud have the same tick speed, I donât even see elememe more viable than SR or in some extend, falconer with good combo for ET
Again, this is not asking for making QC 0% damage. Iâm talking about the range of 20-30%, which should be sufficient.
then letâs make it fair, cut crit damage into 20-30%. all fine by then
Dont try to convince those stupid elememes. They are going to defend
their class which built with a lot of effort, because, you know make a
wiz c3 is super hard.
yes it is very hard⌠harder than KSing everyone as archer, or swash + C button as sword or just put down heal tile and everyone is happy as cleric /s
Actually archer should topple wizard DPS, archer is the only tree
without any support class, thatâs the only true DPS tree in TOS.
already happening with the correct setup.
So with that much investment, Iâd say itâs only fair that they should topple any wizard DPS. But currently it isnât the case.
again, never thing this game as a soloable world. a wiz is good all round class, but archer can fly over the cloud with the correct setup. with GvG and ET as team /multi player content, donât expect do do things alone. grinding and questing is
And if you donât go for the full crit, than youâd have less than 100%
uptime of that âmore than 50% bonusâ which means âon averageâ itâs now
less than that, possibly even be gasp less than 50%.
crit have 100% uptime. itâ not even a buff. maybe you mean âchanceâ which can easily countered if you know the damage formula and how to maximized it.
in that light, I can also said that QC is not really 50% when you spend time and SP to rebuff yourself which lead to less mashing other skill button because you need to spend time for the animation every ~15 sec.
You can reach insane damage by partying with a full DEX linker 3 (or some other full dex character), which an ele 3 couldnât. This makes archer much stronger than ele 3 in party play.
Also, there is a reason why archer can kill a mobs faster than an ele 3 if they have the same investment.
Because those skill is useless for itâs utility as compared to what i mentioned. And yes, if your class has a great utility skill, you can be classified as a support. A class can be both support and DPS. Just look at diev 3.
That makes rogue an imbalance character. They can be a strong support and a strong DPS.
Why not nerf rogue instead?
You are saying as if ele 3 donât need peltasta to be more efficient. And again, you can gain much more exp rate by not having ele 3 in your party at all, with the right composition.
Most player is just sht at coming up with strategy. The current meta is here is just sht at their control.
That doesnât matter. What matters are the overall DPS. Pressing 10 buttons in 5 seconds arenât something that hard too.
You are forgetting the fact that frost cloud need times to aim or it will easily fk up due to how sometimes the skill wonât be cast at the cursor location because of lag.
Because in reality rogue is not strong?
Yes everyone need pelt to be more efficient, and since party slots are limited, do you want to include BOTH archer and linker, or do you just want 1 ele to be efficient? Thatâs the point.
Ugh, again, you can also party with a thauma for even more m.atk, which archer cannot, which make ele much stronger than archer in party play?
Dependence on niche build is never a good thing.
Yes if ALL mobs die in 1 rotation of skills, which is questionable provided that archer AoE ratio is much lower than wizard
You can overlap 3-4 wizard skills in the same time as well. Itâs not 1 skill vs 5 skills
Same for many archer skills, like magic arrow or flare shot or multi shot. Heck, archer skills are even more vulnerable since 1 stray bullet will cancel your channeling. At least wizard has surespell for that.
Please, more than 1 million damage in 10 seconds to grab the world boss cube is not strong? I donât get your definition of strong. Try to join more wb hunting and tell me how strong rogue is, if you ever understand how to work with it.
Rogue will be nerfed sooner or later anyway, once everyone knew about the tactic.
You donât get it, by excluding ele 3 and pelt, and get multiple archer + linker, you can get more exp rate than your usual meme party. Play the game.
Archer can gain 550 atk from thauma too. That 150 int donât really makes a big difference.
Again, do you ever play in the end game content? Full DEX linker 3 is quite a common class in world boss hunting. Play the game.
But you are complaining that the ele 3 has too much damage, which they arenât. Ele 3âs only specialty is to kill mobs fast in AoE, and their meta will be over once the mobs have double or triple the current HP, and is not grouped up. Itâs really easy to change the meta without even touching wiz 3 ele 3.
Now you want to make ele 3 more useless than archer in clearing multiple mobs by nerfing them.
Your overall DPS, including all skills as ele 3 lose to most archer, on a single mobs.
A knock back will cancel your skill regardless if you have sure spell or not.
Vulnerable is not an issue. Whereâs your teammate?
so mage + archer is better than other mage alone
Gasp
note one is dependant on another class
the other can solo w/e and not give a â â â â
this is like me saying elememe + chrono is better than archer because chrono lowers cds
except its not because elememe is better than archer without chrono lmfao
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