The Basic problem are the stats in this game…
Cleric can go full con and can still heal them instantly.
And kill you with inq skills…lol
Its easy to do something against that …
You want a good heal get spr!
You want to make dmg get int!
You want to be a Full support cleric get Spr/Con.
Same gos for wizards.
With a better scaling from the stats/skils they cant build a all in one build like now thats why cleric/wiz are so much better then swordy/Archer.
If they actually cared about the balance then you would not have classes that deal way more hits than others in the same rank. Compare all the classes and you’ll find that many are so unbalanced that they’re a joke. This is why we have this meta, meta would still exist no doubt, but when your meta is vastly superior than your average class. you’ve got to know you messed up somewhere along the line!
Look at falconer vs schwarzer, schwarzer vs oracle & druid etc! I hope they can bring this one out of the mud, they just keep going deeper. it doesn’t really help that they stay oh so silent for so long. and when they talk, it hurts. it hurts badly.
I like how warlocks (kinos probably?) and Chronos appears everywhere along with Clerics. I kinda expected to see some SR in the rankings tho, lol.
Also, I think R7 was better not because “you could win more on R7”, but because matches really felt more balanced, of course that includes transcendence as well, but even if you considered transcendence it would be more balanced than R8 with my play style, but yes, mainly because Sages. If you could stay alive you could do something, in R8 you either get killed by a Cleric running with Ausrine or by anything running with Missile Hole.
And to be honest, I don’t even want to think about Cryo Sages in R9:
8532 base damage at Lv.5, 10s duration, 41s cd-25s pass=16s downtime, Lv.3 debuff
Maze->Stop->Frost Pillar->Pass->Maze
This is not true as far as im concern because i dont use meta build. Example my Lancer were rank 3 last week. It is no where near meta. I even can kill meta builds. Meta on TOS means popular, being popular doesnt mean stronger than the rest.
Honestly, your Lancer is only good because Cata 3 and Cata 3 is meta. Why Meta? Because it’s the “only really good swordie class in PvP” (there are others but Cata 3 is far better with same gears for any case), most swordies picks Cata 3 for PvP.
I wouldnt call full con being unbeatable is balanced. Now even if youre full con, doesnt matter on high transcendence attacker.
How many hits can a falconer dish out vs a schwazer, are you aware?
I’m aware that at rank 6 as falconer 1 you get 8 hits, through 19 seconds, that will not hit the same target at all, because it chooses randomly. How many hits does a schwarzer with retreat shot lv 5?
I’m amazed at your vision of the game, I’m glad I hear it, hear mine too. it is not al roses. I’m sure if you talk to any class you’ll hear from its pitfalls. why? because we have reference points. that schwarzer deals too many hits. That murmillo hits way more than I can. That hunter stun locks me forever. That cleric can live far more than I can.
That’s all and good, because we have diversity. but when the diversity is so diverse than you can literally see a divide in power, you better go back to the drawing board.
I never had this problem about Full CON being unbeatable, nor in R7, nor in R8 (archer point of view). I mean, they were never unbeatable.
Ill prefer to use the rankings as an evidence of how archers and swordsman cant compete against Clerics, Wizard than word of mouth.
Does that give a major difference? I only have falconer, i dont have SR. What matters if one has more hits than the others? Higher ranks obviously has more fire power than lower ranks, because thats the scale of our game.
What does it prove? that you’ve got worse DPS. not only RNG based DPS but it also deals lesser damage.
If you can assure me that there’s a semblance of balance then why there’s this wide gap between a falconer, a red icon, and a schwarzer reiter, a red icon? and from the same rank no less.
I dont know about you, but falconer could our DPS me in ET. Thats falconer 3, a rank 8 class. I always bring my guildmate when doing library or ET because of that. One class out DPSing other is no surprise, if SR can inflict that damage however could SR support your team using circling?
A falconer 3 deals 12 hits across 60 seconds. one hit every 5 seconds, if you think that’s impressive. how many hits can a cataphract deal in 60 seconds? a lancer? a fencer from the same rank no less…
Thats variety. Unique of their own field. What of it? You want linear classes?
I want a fair play field in which things are measured and adjusted to a common point, diversifying without straying to make each class as viable to the next.
How many hunters you see? how many sadhu? how many bokor? how many falconer 3? how many templars? Only getting support skills is fine too, but, can you do anything without any damage options? you’re relying on a team, what happens when no one plays with you?
Honestly, that just shows how classes were popular. I can’t say anything against ktos rankings (I would like to see Klaipeda/Orsha ranks too xD). I totally agree that Clerics and Wizards were betters than archers.
But as an Archer myself, some cases Archers were good: Had good weapons, stat distribution and or knew how to PvP his class. Example (excluding me): Kazuto’s Ranger SR, Shiken’s QS SR, Mio’s QS SR, Korasai’s ScoutWugushi (sorry, I can’t remember others atm).
But there was a really bad problem at that moment: Full DEX builds without high damage skills and good weapons. Also others such as Ranger 3 that Spiral Arrows hit me on my archer for less than 1k, Scouts that gives out on cloaking state to hit Ausrine (we see them even nowadays), people hitting Revenge without swapping weapons before even knowing they had revenge.
It was way easier to reach higher ranks as Clerics and Wizards than Archers and Swordies, again, I can’t say for swordies since I don’t play them.
But playing Archer myself Rank 7 was way better.
As long you didn’t have a messed up build/stat distribution that just won’t work for PvP with your class at that moment and that’s another topic of balance.
Also, not so good reason but as well Rank 8 brings less powerful archers while it brings better ranks for clerics, wizards and swordies.
IMC will give items to make those viable if not will be changed accordingly, as long as we cry to make IMC notice us. Common point in DPS or Utility? or Both?
Why have utility, why have support, when you can kill so fast that it won’t matter? You’ll only need a cleric and you’re set.
Don’t you see the problem here? when was the last time you faced an enemy and said to yourself “oh man, If it just was frozen for 3 seconds!” when the utility is so undervalued by damage, why bother? why bother having diversity when you know the safe path yields all the best results? and straying from the optimal path will only leave you with the same investment as the next man, and dealing less.
They must make each role, (let me remind you we don’t even have roles anymore, when was the last time you needed a tank or saw one? everyone is a tank with the right gears) be required at some point, having this endless boring DPS check is bad, all we have are endless dolls to dot the landscape with when our prefered classes go through the roller coaster.
i will reply to you points by points later, because im still at work im late already.