The Worst PvE meta I played in since day 1

[b4nj0]

Given that:

• Thauma/linker is better then everything else at farming by a fair margin, you just want that 2x materials drop and there is NO reason to roll anything else for farming atm.

• lvl 230 pyro is your shard slave of choice since it’s DPS is much better then anything else at R6 thx to agnis

• 5man et/miki: meltis and diev3/pd are so much better at supporting than everything else is not even fun.
  Add a perma retreat shot on top of that and the cryo/crono passing meltis // cyclone and, even if you think for hours, you will come to nothing close to perma uptime glassmole/chapparition/retreat shot to go with statue clap and one utility pass at demand (plus quicken and missile hole)

• boss hunting is totally useless. To grind up cards you just go for 50dng slaves and reroll cube for 15k (considering talt sell) and you are good to go.
  There are no cards worth taking aside glassmole/nuaele/chappa couz they are multiplier effect (compare them to trash additive effect like ellaganos, it is not even fun). And even if there are some tier 2 cards out there (like WW for rogues) those classes are trash and without use in this saalus/miki/orange mats meta.
  This is due to horrible card design, where the power level of the 3 “meta cards” overshadowed every other card in the game by a HUGE margin.

This, even not considering any bug ongoing or side iussue, is mind blowing to me and by far the most common conversation with my ToS friends. Everytime someone would consider go any other build you just realize that there is nothing, NOTHING comparable to the meta classes in pve, both for 5man (meltis, diev/miko/pd, cryo/crono/sage, sr3 and doppel) and grinding (pyro/thauma/linker over anything else).

We had already the et meta problem in r7, but now we have meta problem to farm shards / orange mats as well since 2 classes are retarded at r6 (pyro with agni) and at r8 (thauma/pyro/linker with agni).

I had better hope for r8, honestly =(

[leleconildo]

It’s funny that most things you’ve described didn’t exist when the game launched.

[TermsOfService]

Because the design team for the game, before and after launch was not the same team. Hence broken stuff like transcendence made it’s way into the game later on.

[Nirimetus]

It’s funny that most things you’ve described didn’t exist when the game launched.

It still doesn’t, I have a Bokor 3 > Miko > PD2 and still outdps some pyros with agni.

I’m not gonna say that all classes are perfect, they need a good balance, also, the content itself need balance, the R8 content feel more like R9 or R10 content due to the big jump in mob stats from R7.

The dumb solution IMC found to bypass that is the creation of dependent items like agnis (I’m sure there will be more stuff like that later on).

Soon we will have HG, most of these dungeon/saalus/ET/Solmiki stuff will lose more value in market due to stuff with more than 2 sockets.

IMC is not trying to fix a thing as of now, at least, not some of the important ones, they are just patching some holes by making other hole in the process.

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I’m sorry I ended up deviating from the main conversation, but it does have relation to it anyway.

I have some other chars with different from meta builds too, it’s fun to play with them, or some was.

My Sadhu was fun to play with, but it pissed me off so much that IMC decided that since it’s a class that have to do with spirits, it has to act like a poltergeist and changed the skills attribute to psychic or w/e it is called now from the good old Holy attribute.

[b4nj0]

There is no reason to outDPS a agni user at r8 since, with thauma, they got 2x materials. And at r6 is impossible to out dps a pyro given the low to 0 investment he require to be effective.

[TermsOfService]

transcendence is cancer

[Nirimetus]

Without a doubt, it broke the game, imo, it was an idea IMC thought to bind players to play for a while longer, also, they tried to use it for Gacha, only a few use it seem, I could be wrong tho since they keep coming up with that crap every now and then.

Random events, automated events, daily events, weekly events, all of these, with some decent rewards and challenges would keep the players from leaving and might even bring new ones, but they can’t do that, they don’t have enough knowledge for it.

[shenhuehue]

Just pray to our Cleric/Wiz overlords ~.~
Yesterday i was farming in Prison 2 3 ppl where farming there till 1 Wl comes and takes over the whole Channel lol.

Fivehammer is cancer too.
It makes every not 315 weapon useless ^^

[b4nj0]

not even touching the saddness about miki leather set vs plate

[Nirimetus]

Fivehammer is cancer too.

Hunting Grounds will come to “fix” that, lots of white (maybe some blue) gear will come with 2-5 sockets after appraising (in the NPC, not the hidden class), so things will get even worse, but them again, look forward for more mafia in HG, guilds taking over the whole place (since it is a shared instance) farming 24/7 while afk.

Also, who knows when they will really take any action against those who use 3rd party softwares to do the work for them?

[Aotsuke]

Also, who knows when they will really take any action against those who use 3rd party softwares to do the work for them?

Never, because we already have @GM_Francis and @GM_Sebastian using 3rd party software to “answer” on the forums, so they would have to ban themselves.

[Gomgomi]

No worries, when rank 9 update happens half of currently OP builds will become cow sht and one of the garbage classes will become OP. That’s why this game system is cancerous. You put in 1837025 hours into your character but you don’t know what will happen after the next update. Remember a few months ago before agny? Everybody used to say how crappy Pyro was. I remember in a topic guessing what Sage will be like people saying that no Sage skill will make Pyro viable ever. lol So no worries. Your current character has 50% chance it will become useless in the next update. So by the time we’re at rank 12 it’s almost guaranteed that all currently good builds will be absolute sht. And the worst part is there are retards who are adamantly against reset vouchers. Those retarded people are icing on the cake of cancer that is IMC.

[Nirimetus]

I’m against it to be sold, but to be used when a major update hit in, like classes being changed for better or worse I do agree on having it.

Like happen in PoE, when a single node is changed, they give you the option to full reset, or they simple reset your passives if the change is too big.

[Gomgomi]

I actually don’t want reset vouchers for classes ever except right now they’re not done with the class systems. Every time there’s an update they need to give one reset voucher PER CHARACTER. After rank 12 or 13 when they’re all done then no more reset vouchers not even in TP stores thank you. But the retards who flat out say no to reset vouchers right now are just stupid people who have a very dim future in life. Their intelligence will serve well working in McDonald’s.

[fatedhour]

If this game dies it will be becuz of transcendence.

[ophiuchu]

But without third party tools they would have to answer the millions of tickets/posts by hand. Do you expect them to grind out answers for years just to progress? Maybe we should have an RNG cube people click once a day to see if they get a problem fixed. That will keep all the problems at bay indefinitely until the programmer can “catch up” with everything wrong for the past year or two.

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[clima]

Transcendence is just another (big) nail in the coffin. Only one among so many.

[notme]

The only thing worse than the current PvE meta is the PvE content itself
Oh and PvP

[Gomgomi]

Transcendence is mega cancer that is the final nail in the coffin. And I mean it. They made 280+ maps’ monster damage and health to cater to items with Transcendence. This is a massive fail. This kind of item spike would work if we’re at the point where the class system is complete. We still have at least 4 more new ranks to go. From what I heard IMC decided to not even go that far. I think the reason is obvious.

About 2 weeks ago kToS massively nerfed monster HP in 280+ ish maps because in jToS people were complaining about the massive monster HP and damage spike. I’m not sure if they nerfed the damage as well but the HP of monsters were cut by 60% or sth like that. Whoever came up with the Transcendence idea should be fired right now.

[Composition]

If they even had the slightles idea of how their game works they would of shot down the idea of transcendance the moment it was brought up!

But instead, they decided to embrace it like “oh yeah, great idea players will love it” sure they will, even people with transcendance think it is a bad idea. They won’t fire him, because they probably all think alike and they’re doing a great job, either that or it is only one guy working on the game at this point.

How to fix the scaling issues that all classes have? TRANSCENDANCE yup, let’s forget about the original issue, it no longer is there guys! transcendance. yup, work well done.