I actually prefered R7 for Archers because there was no Missile Hole, at least a well geared SR could be useful in any match.
Let me tell you, in this very little example the scale should be one.
If imc decided to have 10 scales one for each rank it is okay, I find it silly, but it is okay.
How can you find your equilibrium when youâve not set a point on which to set it on? Overshadow, Surpassing. it is a problem because youâve decided to go with your gut instead of carefully designing your system! it is a big error all on itself! it is ruining the game!
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I actually prefered R7 for Archers because there was no Missile Hole, at least a well geared SR could be useful in any match.
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In PVE archers are good but in PVP, you could take an effortt to see the screenshots of top 100. No archers or only 1 or 2 in rank 7 era. Now youre no.2 right?
What if that scale of 2 where pyro is in cant be used on ET? What you gonna do? Where is your evidence that scale of 2 can be used on ET? Buff it to make it scale like that of 5 or 3 or 7 or 10? What about those overshadowed scales? buffs too?
The scale, does not consider the content. The scale, is to measure the power of each class. The scale doesnât dictate the desing of ET, it dictates how monster will behave to your classes!
If there was no scale then youâre faced with all the problems we have, they never set a place where they could go to, measure and design accordingly! all these problems we have is because they were too busy doing god knows what!
If they had 1 scale to design all 80 classes then we would not be faced with these problems, because things would be more balanced! if thereâs no point of reference how can you tell how fast somethingâs going!?
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During the TBL event in the 2nd week I think, I managed to get 3rd or 4th position with my SR. In R8 I never got past ~7.
it dictates because some people have build that revolves around pyro(scale of 2). just because you said they cant be viable in ET (as DPS) is no different than IMC. Lots people want to use rank 2 class AS DPS. Scale of 2 should be enough to clear end game contents otherwise lots of people will cry.
I thought you were 2nd just a while ago? And no rank 7 is dominated by Warlocks and PD. Because their skills are greater than archers and swordsman. IMC dont probably want to nerf those because pitchporks are waiting from those people.
That was on 2v2, any immunity on 1v1 or some 1v2/2v2/2v1 is fine to deal. And clerics in R7 didnât have things such as Malleus that insta kills any low HP character so you could kite them easily till buffs ran out.
JFC, this is the first time Iâve ever seen an entire god-dang set at Stage 10. 
Thatâs envy-inducing without a doubt. 
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Iâm amazed at how unbelievable this is. Iâve never said anything about ET, I just said it because you said it.
The current game content you can find is all bad because there was no point of reference, if it had been done right you and I would not be talking right now.
You go to your magic scale and design a class and weigh it. then weigh all your other classes and balance them. when you create an item you go to your scale, when you create a monster, you weigh it once more.
When thereâs nothing to measure agaisnt weâre faced with what we have now, skills scaling with nonsense values through all the circles.
Youâve introduced 10 tons to weigh agaisnt with transcendance, then you must make 11 tons enemies. youâve decided to completly forget about careful design and go and add more wings because it looks cool. Thatâs alright, but do not expect people to not complain. It makes no sense compared to the rest of your game. this, why IMC has done this? can you answer? I cannot. defending a company is nonsense, the company should be more than able to defend itself. it has to, a costumer will be swayed by another costumerâs word. if you cannot appease your market youâre done.
You cannot expect people to talk pretty for your work if youâve not paid them. the only ocassion were people will talk good about you is when your work is praise worthy. This, my esteemed is something we all want, and we cannot obtain. a game were things make sense and are enjoyable.
I cannot do anything but hope the game improves and point things out in hopes of something being done about it. the decision is not ours but we can influence it, weâre the market. It all comes down to the guys making the game, thus far, theyâve neglected the game.
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They have however infinite heals where DPS(swordsman, archers) classes cant touch. Cons is greater than the damage of swordsman and archers.
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IMC sucks we are there, however suggesting things that will make even more unbalanced things is no different than we currently have. ET is a good example on how to balance classes. Because if you take ET out of the question, is just another snob from those people who want to use their rank 2/3 class shine on ET.
Now even cigarette vendors can farm in ET because they have the fortunes from cigarette vending to afford trans 10.
I do not care what scale they use, I want them to have one!
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We have, its called rank 1, rank 2, rank 3, rank 4, rank 5 and so on and so forth. Thats the scale, meta changed because of the amount of tears we shed to make this one viable.
I want an unified scale to which measure absolutely everything.
Circles are meaningless theyâre not scales.
I want one, in which they take all the ranks through the game and balance accordingly. add % gains to the next rank accordingly. I wan them, to stop creating content just cause and design it proper!
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Well, thatâs subjective, you canât compare defensive skills with offensive skills. Heal isnât immunity, as long you had ways to keep damage, cc or knockback while staying alive it could work. If timed correctly one could use Full Draw, Heavy Shot or Stone Shot, Rank 1-2 skills to pull combos or anything. I myself won most matches using Heavy Shot spam (there are even complains on forums saying âthat I only knew to use that skillâ lol). I canât really say about swordies since I never play them.
Fun fact: On Rank 8 you have so much damage that you canât Full Draw pets into Clerics on Safety Zone to push them out because the companions loses all HP and enter dead-immunity state.
Wait, ill try to search this forum of top 100 rankings from rank 7 eras.
Theyre doing it, example Cata, it was flat before now we also scale. I dont know about the others probably they will do in the future.
Ok! To be honest, no need I think, we all know how swordies were bad. But for archers R7 was way better than R8 for most builds at least PvP-wise (maybe some now benefits more with R8 but I really donât play them so I donât know much).