Alright, my base values are completely unchanged. If I recall correctly, before maintenance, the bonus from Enhance Attributes added the % listed directly to the attack modifier in the tooltip. NOW it appears that the Enhance attribute MULTIPLIES the attack modifier in the tooltip. So instead of 619% becoming 643%, it became 771%.
I’m not sure if this is intended behavior or not, but I’m pretty sure this affects all existing Enhance attributes.
Wouldn’t that just be a cosmetic tooltip change then?
I’m not sure if it’s just a cosmetic change. Was Dethrone +50 actually doing 773% x 2 before this maintenance?
I remember dethrone was around 773% x2 (pre patch, I’m at work right now so I can’t look at the new tooltip) for me yes. I have my dethrone attributed to be 51% I think.
It multiplied even before patch.
500% with Lv100 Attribute became 500 x 1.5 = 750%.
It was never additive.
Then I misunderstood the changes. Guess Dragoon’s been untouched thus far.
Maybe, it kind of depends on what IMC was aiming for. If the problems I outlined in the thread are addressed then Dragoon’s would be about on par with Lancer. But compared to Murmillo and Doppel, Dragoon’s would be very lacking. So it really depends on what IMC is aiming to balance the classes around. Either Dragoon’s really do need a huge buff, or Doppel’s and Murmillo’s need a nerf, though Doppel’s lack some of the debuff’s and survivability so they make a little more sense.
Murmillo don’t need any form of nerf, behind his high multipliers, he has a low attack damage compared Dragoon and with most PvP builds, it don’t benefit a lot from his shield in term of defense. Also, that’s still a class who have a single chance to not be kited : hook then jump to close the gap then kill your target.
That’s less versatile and permissive than a Cataphract-based class (even if cata and dragoon sucks atm).
For Doppel … that’s a pure PvE class (you can’t take both shinobi and corsair, needed for PvP doppel and also have doppel C3 … a circle who just … multiply by 3 or 4 your burst lol. So, until rank 9, their is not real risk of abuse.
Dragoon is lackluster if we look at Lancer, but also featherfoot or inquisitor (if we consider “melee” classes)
PVP comparisons are always bad to make. It reflects a small portion of the community, and a minuscule part of TOS’s content, and that’s before the PVP balance patch making it further irrelevant.
Murmillo’s have extremely high modifiers, and while they do have lower base damage if they use a one-handed Sword, or even the same damage if they are using a one-handed spear, their class sacrifices nothing for the additional defence of a shield. Shields certainly do help with survivability, especially in a class that encourages the use of Peltasta, and with utilising their helmet. Murmillo’s have utility in the forms of Peltasta, which again they sacrifice nothing to use it compared to a Dragoon opting for it, and they have their own set of debuffs. Murmillo’s have the same damage, with a fair amount of utility, all while having a large increase in survivability they lose nothing to obtain.
Doppel’s are interesting because they do end up sacrificng much of their own survivability, but their damage is insane and easy to use, which does make it more questionable like I said. But again, making PVP comparisons is unhelpful, especially since you brought up Cata-Goons while Hop-Goons also exist which makes much of the Dragoon population suffer from the same problems.
Gae Bulg lv10 high damage it good !!! Study use it !!!
Gae Bulg>Dethrone>Dragontooth>Serpentine>Dragon Soar
yesterday i used my last reset voucher and remade my catagoon, bad idea, dragoon skills with slow animation, low damage and high sp cost plus the combo gae bulg+serpentine is ridiculous, fixed distance in trow plus have to reach your spear is a time lose mechanic, in this time an doppel or fencer put much more damage
i wish they made at least gaebulg with OH and a mechanic like spear trow
dragontooth with a fast charge atribute and mobile(lihe doom spear)
faster animation or ASPD based in serpentine
more CC for dragon soar
remove knockback atribute for dethrone
Meh, Gae bulg is underwhelming tbh. Yes the damage is good, but did you consider its long animation time, animation lock afterwards, the fixed distance, and that you have to pick up the spear again? In a typical boss fight, the fact that you have to run back just to connect the skill is cumbersome as hell. By the way the DPS boost is not double like people say, but more like 15%.
Overall, I didn’t include gae bulg in my build because while the skill multiplier improved significantly, the core mechanics of the skill remains cumbersome.
With the running back and throw the spear you have at least no time to use the realy weak cataskills xD
Even if cata skills did no damage it still has trot to carry it. Dragoon has almost nothing to carry it. It only had damage. And now, it doesn’t even have damage.
Well, and dethrone’s PvP capability I guess…
Dragoons rely on proper skill rotation. Wasting Serpentine so far into rotation significantly lowers damage potential. Gae Bulg’s hit box means it’s troublesome in the low amount of time Dragoon’s have before debuffs run out. Its hitbox further makes it problematic in farming, as collecting the spear just lowers the quick killing of enemies, not to mention proper aiming. It gets even more complicated with its comparatively high CD.
Question did anyone test a sword3 highlander3 goon2?? wondering if they go well? 
SW3-HOP3-DRA2 full str
High damage >Low damage
before
-Dethrone lv5
-Dragontooth lv10
-Serpentine lv10
-Dragon Soar lv5
after
-Gae Bulg lv10
-Dethrone lv5
-Dragontooth lv10
-Dragon Soar lv5
I’m exactly the same build, I’ve found it a lot better in PVE content. No down time on skill rotation, and it’s as clean as a Dragoon can be, skill wise it’s also exactly the same as I had before.
I am the same except lv5 dragon tooth and lv10 soar. Arguably cleaner since lv10 tooth will take longer to full charge. But i think lv10 tooth makes sense when u have spear lunge and i dont.
Gae bulg isnt as good as i was led to believe.
Dragon Soar and Dragontooth are pretty interchangable based on play style, as a HopGoon Spear Lunge gives Dragontooth a significant edge like you said.
Gae Bulg is entirely disappointing. Hard to use, low damage, mediocre debuff, bad CD, there’s very little advantage to using it. All it does is disrupt the other skills.
