The Great Rebalancing

[Anarth]

It was not indeed. However, we still have a piece of information that is amiss…How long have they been working on the new formulas? All this wasn’t simply made in a single day. What if what we had back then was no more than a placeholder to what we are to receive?

It doesn’t change the fact that it was indeed short-sighted, but of course…I am only assuming that and obviously IMC would never agree with or deny it. It kinda connects though.

[Delcas]

Having skills with high base damage would shorten the gap between players that achieved ,legitimately or not, said upped gears and those who are still midway through…They even made R8 +0 weapons WAY better than overupgraded R7 weapons in order to counter that too.

eh.
Those gears are all a pain in the ass to acquire.
Even more so once Trans became tradeable they created a super divide. When it wasn’t tradeable it was just super unrealistic.

[jynxie08]

Interesting balance. It promotes the usage of low ranks skills like “Thrust” from Swordman C1, skills with no cooldown like the one i mentioned and Double Punch. I’ll quote IMC on this part :

High/Full Dex - no CD skills build might rise in popularity. Full Dex Archer 3 using Heavy shot spam.

Majority of people will have trans 10 now. It would probably cost just 600 shards at max for trans 10.

[Sayurichan]

All I can say is that I supported ToS from the start, buying every single founder pack, DLC, etc, then spent over a year developing my character the best way I could, spending huge amounts on TP, stats resets, skills reset potions, grinding, farming, to get the best gear, and transcended it, and now, from one day to another, all I did may be trash.[/quote]
What if the next rank would come out and the new classes skills wouldn’t synergize well with your build?
What will you do when new and better gear comes out, will you complain “NO! No new gear. I paid for the founders back and i made my perfect build and gear and i don’t want to change it. I command you to not implement new gear, ever!”?

You said you supported the game from the start, you imply that you were there when all the changes happened, to the barbarian class for example. They changed alot during the betas. They changed alot during the release days, they changed alot when R8 classes came out and they did alot of class balancing after that. Yet you are still here.

What makes this balancing so different than the other 5~6 times the game had some major changes that you are so outraged about this balancing, yet the other ones didn’t keep you from quitting?

Also, this is a MMO game, aka a game that is in a game category where games usually get changed over time, it’s not like this is something drastically new in this genre.

IMC just wants your money, couldn’t think in any other way. I’ve played a lot MMO’s, but never seen something like this. If these changes ruin what costs me so much time, and money, it was all a scam, a theft, a rip off.

A company wants to make money? Shock and horror!
BTW changing the entire gameplay formulas is not an efficient way for making money. If I were IMC and “just wanted money” as you said it i’d do more profit-oriented things instead of changing all the gameplay formulas. Changing the formulas, at least in my opinion, shows that they actually somewhat care about the game itself.

In what way was it a scam? Calling something a scam implies that they were deliberately dishonest with you when you gave them money.
Did you ever buy TP from them but instead they deliberately gave you something inferior/worth less?

Just because something will change in the future it does not give you the advantage a skill reset potion gave you in the moment when you bought it.
You didn’t pay for a “skill reset and the promise that the game will never ever change anymore and your current build and gear will always be the most perfect one”, you only paid for a skill reset.

[quote]It had such great potential, and now that the game is dying, they change everything trying to rescue this disaster, while scamming those who supported them from the begining. Maybe it’s too late, I think.

There are two possible choices : Either change the game formulas or leave them.
Leaving them as it is would result in players still doing ridiculous damage-cap hits, even per hit with their multihit skills, the defense formula being too extreme (either you get 1 dmg or like 5~10k dmg), attack stats being unimportant and everyone just going for a single stat.
Is that a game you want to play and you think that’s balanced? I’m pretty sure most people agree that with endgame gear the current formulas we have are not working out very well.

So the only choice left is to change it.

[Anarth]

They released something as a final product

Bro…MMORPGs only turn into final product once they stop supporting it and the game enters in maintenance mode. The games of this genre are ever growing projects that require core changes in order to remain revelant.

[alvintan_7]

okay first of all, no rank 9 news. second, i have a feeling this will make the game more Tree of Clerics if you know what i mean. im scared what will happen to the game.

[jynxie08]

We may hear rank 9 today, theyre saving it for last.

[Kostik]

it already is a tree of clerics

[Sayurichan]

They released something as a final product, charged for it, and one year later it’s not even in beta.

They charged for TOS? How much did you pay for the released TOS version? As far as i know it’s free-to-play and i can’t remember ever paying for it.

[alvintan_7]

thats why i said MORE tree of clerics. im a swordsman and this update makes me sad but then again i need that rank reset cos my build’s kinda crap so thats something lol

[alvintan_7]

dont get my hopes up here pls

[Anarth]

What, really? o_o

Where did you get that?

[GabrielMS92]

I only remember 20 dilmas (BR$) as we paid for early access, some paid 100 actually for being the only way to get cash at the time.

I want to know, what will happen to fencer that were heavily dependent on dex.

[Seiran]

final product, charged for it

Paid for early access

Calls it final product

[_Val_]

We may hear rank 9 today, theyre saving it for last.

What, really? o_o

Where did you get that?

I’m not saying we may not hear from it now but watching @Nekorin video of gm meetup it was said that rank 9 is supposed to come after the stat/skill/damage balance thing.

So quite soon at least?

[Valkoria]

I’m very excited to hear that they’re getting rid of the bonus stats for investing heavily into one, better late than never!

I wonder how many classes that don’t scale well as damage dealers will end up with the rebalancing patch, like will we see Ice Mages? I wonder how underwhelming spells like Earthquake, Freezing Sphere and Flare will turn out.

Cant wait to find out more =)

[Delcas]

The Damage formula feels overly complicated. I don’t know wtf ^0.x
is supposed to be.
what is .x?
Rank? Level? I don’t flipping know.

I don’t feel like there’s a real difference in them removing the bonus to increasing stats because there’s no diminishing returns. Unless investing in a stat to full becomes more expensive, then it really makes no difference to me.
More importantly it’s all insignificant. I mix stats and then what, am I going to take Int on my Swordsman? Nah.

Taking Dex and STR? Well if you do the math right the choice to mix becomes obvious regardless.

[joeswaaz]

full con for life, and if im nerfed to sh1t i still have 3 stat reset potions…

[redisdarkisred]

Struggled to not share this, song kept playing on my mind since I saw the new notes:

(insert : Wiz Khalifa ft. Charlie Puth)

@IllFatedGaming this ones a thank you postcard from me for taking care of the add ons XD

[jynxie08]

Most of dex faggits came from STR users anyway

Those people prefer damage so majority of dex type people will go to STR now.