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The Bot/Hack Predicament Enquiry

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#1

On behalf of ALL players from ALL servers and myself, we would like to have some information on these so called “investigation” that is ongoing for these obvious 24/7 bots.
These 24/7 bots that are repeatedly reported (some reported LONG AGO up till now) and provided with evidence.
Some of which even have the audacity to use teleport/speed/range attack hacks along with the bot.

A proper and comprehensive response from GM Francis or/and personnel of authority will be greatly appreciated. Please refrain providing a mere one liner sentence/reply.
This situation has become more severe than before since the number channels has been reduced at certain maps and the obvious inaction of the authority. We deserve to know what course of action will be taken or view point of the authority on these bots(especially those above level100).
If the stand is that HIGH LEVEL BOTS (or those that have paid “enough” money) will not be banned, THEN TELL US.
Enough of

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FOR THE LULS:
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@Lunettesrougues, perhaps we should, at the moment iTOS status is MIXED REVIEWS. Maybe its time we let the POTENTIAL new comers know not to waste their time and money.

Sorry if this post looks abstract or random, this is the “original post”

After repeatedly purposeful ignore from GM Francis to even reply, I believe its time to spread the word else where before “The Bot/Hack Predicament” goes out of hand.

Now with rank8 patch for iTOS, we have some people returning to the game and some considering trying it for the first time. This is a great opportunity to have new blood and retain some players. I sincerely hope every honest and respectable Saviors/Revelator, step up and give some suggestions.

Proposed Possible Solutions to salvage the future of iTOS:
1.Fire the incompetent employee in-charge, make it public, show us that u care about the future of your own money shaking tree.

2.Monitor player botting/hacking accounts even if they have substantial spending in the game. Issue first warning and after that implement a ban if offense takes place again within a certain period of time.

3.Introduce an UN-BAN package for banned players who used bots/hacks.
I recommend that cash amount to be equivalent to 500TP for the respective region. Good money, cant refuse that, can you?

Come on guys, contribute some great ideas.

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#2

one of @DiMeowgio bot report today got insta gm action and gm even log in game to test the bot

just saying

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#3

I think the “for the luls” part TS mentioned was that exact thread. :upside_down:

I know that this particular one was pretty swiftly dealt with, heck I’m just now reading the account owner’s cries on that thread.

I guess it was dumb luck? Some of my other reports are dead in the water too.

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#4

i know…

bot enforcement is rng as well…

i love talts

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#5

I provided full evidence on my report against macro/bot users. Lets see if their names will appear on the ban list by next week :thinking:

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#6

It’s sad to say … but , nope they won’t.
lul

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#7

Well doesn’t that point out an interesting fact that some bots are dealt with but the ones we have been providing video and screenie evidence at least 1week( some FOR months) are totally ignored?

Point is, if those bots are not gonna be banned since they spend some money in the game, so be it, they should say so.
Instead of all the BS so called immediate action and investigation claimed to be done.
If the game rules/policy is that paid players can bot/hack like those in the videos, I have no problems with that.
But they claim that its an offense in the rules and regulation, which does not explain why those players are still around for months with their bots/hacks while getting reported continuously.
Lastly, GM Francis purposefully ignores the post as if we are going just roll over and let it pass.
Not gonna happen.

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#8

Yep everything is TOS is RNG-based, even including bot banning

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#9

not really…

my point is, this morning, there is a bot reported attended to within 1hour time.

that, is a good start.
that, is a good trolling move from IMC

selective ban? rng? huehuhue?
I don’t know how their internal-banning policy/procedure/system works anymore

or should I say…

ya all got IMC’ed~

by now, shouldn’t you guys already lost all hope, expectation, and trust?

relax, chill, calm down

this is their game, if they don’t care as much as we player do

why should we care about their game?

let the bot infest the game and kill all prospect-player etc

RO is full of bot, but its not dead yet.

You are playing TOS, you didn’t sign up to police botters ingame.

I fed up with the bot report already, now, I just play for fun

I don’t farm silver, I don’t farm equipment, I don’t join tbl/gvg, I don’t do ET, I don’t do WorldBoss

Find a way to enjoy the game, if u cant, then maybe you should move on.

Its just a game.

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#10

My bad i should put forth points in layman/straight forward manner, that my guess why you seem to totally miss my issue.

Why

  • it seems banned accounts are selective?
  • it seems even using hack tools like the range attack hack and teleport hack( those are same features of a hack tool available since TOS beta, google it.) does not constitute an immediate ban? again this is selective
  • if there is an allowed discrimination between silver selling bot accounts and perhaps botting player accounts that has spend some money in the game, why not just say so instead of repeatedly lying to us?

By the way, I am not going through all these trouble just for myself. As you can see in the video, I am way well geared enough to out KS those bots.

However, as a person who majored in Economics. I know precisely how these bots foils the game for new comers, which is truly the MAIN major issue for iToS at the moment.

I would very much prefer new comers to be the ones that randomly receives a battle bracelet or decides to farm uosis to sell so they can have proper silver income, etc. Depressingly, that is highly unlikely with the current bot/hack predicament.

Furthermore, it is precisely the players that need to voice out their opinions for the game. Especially regarding the policing policies of the game.
The very fact that morale hazard factor exists; botters that buy TP directly contributes to income (which is obviously contributing to some people’s salaries), shows that the player community has to make noise every now and then.

Lastly, I am part of it’s community and as a person who sees the snowball effect caused by the people running iTos shooting themselves in the foot, I must stand out and do my part; which is open my mouth and say something.

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#11

i know…

we all in the same boat…

thank you for your effort…

but i lost all hope already…

the more u care about the game, the faster u felt betrayed/dissapointed

imc is not the hero we thought they is…

i used to care as much, but now i just another fool…

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#12

Report a bot in forums.
Getting a generic bot response from a GM.
GM plays ToS for the lulz.
Go to that map and conduct so called investigation.
Huehuehuehue… what happens next will be a mystery.

and the cycle continues.
in short they dont give a ■■■■ :expressionless:

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#13

Without the bots, the servers would be alot deader than they already are, number wise.
Just think about it. Ban all those bots and the population crashes by atleast 50%. Would that be good publicity?

#14

meanwhile … bots are getting ƒucked up and also leaving the game

#15

That is the precisely the ironic part, bots do have a certain purpose like farming absurdly low chance drops and produce a decent amount of silver to pump back into the market.

However, its fall backs are far more harmful than its FULL potential benefits. Like i said before if people still do not understand basic Econ101,

Low to Mid level maps Bot overcrowding
Pros:

  • 330s like me do not need to go farm battle bracelet or uosis, we have better sources of silver income.
  • This drives down the price of low level low probability drops lower. Good for high levels. Simple supply increment and stable demand.
  • They increase silver supply. HURRAY I can add my attributes higher and faster.

Cons:

  • New comers silver income drops drastically. Surely you are not expecting them to outdo those bots with manamanas and hack tools on. Not to forget the individual new comer can not be everywhere like bots do.
  • New comers will struggle with their gameplay and will perceive that it will continue to be so.
  • They increase silver supply(yes i said that before as a pro). That is not natural inflation. It is good when there is higher silver supply in the aspect of attributes’ extreme costs, but it inflates the market greatly.

It may be counter-intuitive that bots practically ruin the market, it may seem that having bots around to provide supply of silver and goods is essential, but if the market lacks supply of a certain good, people will just go farm it and reap the price increased by demand pull factor. Prices will be Fair.

However, I do not want to sound rude but the term “myopic” is commonly and frequently used in economics and financial studies.The long term snowball effect of drastic inflation and disturbing hostile environment for the new comers is far more destructive to the game.

Therefore, that is precisely why this matter should be treated seriously. In the eyes of demographics, this would be the greying population with extremely low birth rate. That is a nation wide snowballing disaster, as it should be faced in iTos.

TL DR: BOTS IS ONE OF THE MAIN FACTOR ON WHY THE GAME IS GETTING DEADER. IT IS THE “MYOPICNESS” OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT PREVENTS THEM FROM EXTRAPOLATING TO THAT FACT.

Even simplier terms,
You sick, you see Doctor.
Your pet sick, you see Vet.
Your sales sick, you see Marketing Agent.
Your nation sick, you see Economist.
Soon, I will be able to say “I told you so”.

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#16

Man, im really on yous side, but as everyone has said, IMC is the Sin of this game, not the Hero. They aren`t give a f… for iTos, servers are trashed allocated and cant hold even 2k players (Even private RO server are better), they give way more things to Korea than us, the game experience we have sucks compared to kTos, and they know it… Everyone that helped the community of iTos since Beta left Because they got tired of receiving no feedback from IMC of they hardwork ( everyone, really everyone, uses Addons and IMC never listened to all complaints about the game from their developers, they even started copy the addons and doenst give any credit to the real developers).

The botton line is, play this casually, doesnt give a f… to bots, rmt and imc, and maybe, just maybe, you are going to be happier.

Does not expect new players… this game will die soon as died in korea, is just what IMC wants… Maybe at Mobile bots are controlled right?

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#17

My point was that bots are already a substantial part of the “player numbers” cause real players quit in droves. In a hypothetical healthy game, the bot part of the “player numbers” is negligible.

#18

Sorry, not here to prove false negatives. If you are still “myopic” after simplified direct factors leading to adverse effects are brought forth, perhaps this “myopic” can not be immunised in this community, IMC included.

The very same “myopic” vision exists in our society(The Real One). Example, weather changes have compounding evidence and weather experts and scientist/physicists like Brain Cox has repeatedly warned us the adverse effects in future if we do nothing now. Similar situation as we are in now, “myopic” public and “myopic” authorities/governments.

I cant save a person who wants to drown.

Which side do you think I am on?

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It’s a bot/hack/exploit/RMT/big wallets free for all here at TOS.

If you don’t join, you will fail!

The solution to your troubles is simple:
Hit the uninstall button.

#20

If you have actually read the contents, you would have understood that this issue doesn’t affect me directly. I have more than 4 x 317s for practonium farm and dailies;etc, I have far better sources of income. However, it is the fact that even so, we are all in the same boat.
These posts I made don’t take me much time, the trade off is minimal. But as a person that wish more new players can start and try iTOS for the first time or previous discouraged players that might want to return to the game, I have to say something. Specifically those that will affect the new/low tier players directly.
This predicament is merely one of the several factors discouraging new comers, but I do not work for IMC; “There is no free lunch”. It if of paramount importance that you realise these posts’ trade off is next to running one extra crystal mines or playing another titanfall2 match; pretty much worth nothing.
Furthermore, I must add I don’t care as much if those players bot in areas where nobody even goes or it doesn’t affect new comers in those maps(like not KSing them when they are in a certain radius) BUT they do.
YES I SAID IT, I DONT CARE IF U BOT AS LONG AS YOU DON’T AFFECT THE NEW COMERS