I believe he had a video of his r330 stuff and stats. I’m checking out his build but also keeping in mind of other possibilities. He gives a decent overview of how a doppel should be.
Also, is Zucken a fake multihit? If so, wouldn’t it be better to invest more points into Sturtzhau? How does the damage compare?
Zucken, Sturtz, Zwerch afaik are all fake multi hits. I haven’t tried Zornhau with level 3 attribute if it’s fake as well but Redel is the only true multi hit.
sturtz is 2 real hits isn’t it (the rest is fake multi)
@unicorntheshiny so it’s kinda like Seism? 1 hit containing 3 lines? I can see 6 separate lines when I do sturtz.
EDIT : I don’t know if it can be seen clearly but I see 6 lines. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
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Yup it’s seem to be a seism v2 with ignore armor instead of stunt.
1 hits 3 lines x 2.
alright thanks for the clarification. so it’s slightly better than zwerch. Redel was the true revamp.
Yup, zucken is 100% fake same goes to zornhau.
You can drop them if you want if you are aware of the dopple cyclone scaling to attack speed and put it else where. (reseted it and tested with quicken seems to go up to 42 hits)
Zwerch most likely to be the same case as cleave. (1 point is good enough imo)… The rest you can cater else where.
I don’t like revealing what I am testing cause people keep criticizing me (like I care) but I’m trying a pure skill based doppel, meaning no DoV. I don’t have a perma quest/grind party cleric-buddy, and I don’t like how DoV needs to stack.
well I’m just testing it’s viability but if I don’t like how it plays out, I’ll just go back to my Fencer. maybe if the skills weren’t fake, it could be viable. I don’t know what’s up with IMCs obsession with fake multi hits. lol
LMAO, “mighty STR build” wait… why the fk he resetted to HIGH DEX? 
oh wait this NO BRAINER didnt understand what “F U T U R E P R O O F” means…
if you are not into dov, you will be losing about 15 hits in total on cyclone.
This case else you might want to focus maxing others.
Each of us have our POV on playstyle so i won’t go on that much.
Reason why koreans max DOV is due to the attack swap bug > cyclone + quicken goes up to 42 hits. Default cyclone 15 is 21/22 hits?
So if you are not into it i guess you have 15 points to spare. Punish is good enough on level 1 ( you can actually cap damage with level 1). (for grind purpose)
Guess that’s about it. The rest you can dump on zwer after redel.
It’s viable definitely just not as strong as what DOV + Cyclone rotation can pull out i guess. Neither do i. Like cannonade (prefix fake multihit volley fire on muskeeter as well).
I guess fake multi hits do really look nice in appearance but sucks in mechanics wise…
Fencer are just literally god now.
yeah I actually just found out about DoV + Cyclone interaction so that really makes me think twice. does it work with Chrono’s quicken or nah?
what I plan is maxing Redel, Sturtz and Zwerch since fake as they may be, they have higher base damages.
kind of like this:
still unsure with Zucken allocation. maybe I can put in 1 Mord or some sp to DoV but I really don’t like glasscannons so I’m avoiding DoV as much as possible (specially with all these op mobs around). I know Dopp is supposed to be berserker-like but it’s the only 2h sword class in the game and 2h swords have always been my thing in MMOs.
yeah so true. but it really is frustrating af. if they were true multi hits they’d dish out some really good damages.
My Fencer is always literally getting Rank 1 now with little to no effort. Epee is the real deal.
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It works with quicken (after you weapon swap out on dov quicken boost extra up to 5-6 hits with DOV)
So basically 22 hits >(spam aa) 37 hits with dov 15 >(Spam/hold aa) 42 hits or more with quicken + DOV
Your builds seems good without dov.
As cyclone (nature of multi hits) is that it will always be on a extremely low Power value as compare to later ones.
To balance up high power hitting skills are easier to cap. For that 1 x huge truck burst (200k now per max fake multihit).
Pros > you will have more skill rotation definitely.
Less prone to death than DOV on 33k hp flies in a instance when mobs hit you at 8-12k meele damage instead of 2-3k
Con> Needs extra high investment to deal as much as a dov + cyclone.
Cheers.
Yup, zero accountability.
Sounds like a real estate agent or a used car salesman or a politician.
These profession have something in common - they sell their ■■■■ well but once people start exposing their bs, they dodge and avoid questions like no tomorrow. That’s why they’re labelled the scumbags of society.
This is one of the things I’m thinking about whether to leave it at 10 or still max it at 15. But I guess would still max it, it’ll be a good dps-filler while I’m waiting for my other skills to cooldown.
well anyway thanks mate. I’d probably buffed myself up (attribute wise) before diving in on the quests. its so rare to see quest parties here in Tels, most are grind-freaks. you’ll always see 290-Timerys parties.
“Eating his own sht”
can anybody confirm if both Crown and Zornhau affects Zucken? How big is the modifier?
Both works.
i think was 1.5?
that’s quite high. so it’s like Cleave?
