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Team Dex Vs Team Str ( Trash talking, discussion, roasting each other, math magician war ) Aka Debate STR Vs DEX

Class and Rank Swordsman
#751

(Defender’s BLOCK - Attacker’s BLOCK PENETRATION) / (((721/2000) * Defender’s Level + 18.64) * Attacker’s Level^(67/200))

could also be

(Defender’s BLOCK - Attacker’s BLOCK PENETRATION) / ((.35 * Defender’s Level + 18.64) * Attacker’s Level^.35)

or

(Defender’s BLOCK - Attacker’s BLOCK PENETRATION) / (((1/3) * Defender’s Level + 18.64) * Attacker’s Level^(1/3))

#752

Hi, thanks for this calculation. i appreciate it much, mind if you could translate or calculated a decent amount of Block pen over 195 CON (ET Hogma).

im a little confuse on the last part [quote=“Turbosodomy, post:751, topic:321139”]
Attacker’s Level^(1/3))
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#753

I just whipped up a block chance calculator, should work

#754

Swordies

lvl 330 Swordsman + sissel + peta + 3 lvl 7 main hand green gem atk < 4246 = full str 4458 < atk < 5146 = 1:1 atk > 5194 = full dex (p.s this setup only gives 92% crit rate)
above + leather lolopanther set 
atk < 4738 = full str
4862 < atk < 5541 = 1:1
atk > 5530 = 100% crit rate
crit resist = 130 (no lolopanther) 
atk < 3347 = full str
3715 < atk < 4430 = 1:1
atk > 4600 = full dex (74% crit rate)
above + lolopanther (same as crit resist = 59) 
atk < 3839 = full str
4120 < atk < 4822 = 1:1
atk > 4924 = full dex (84% crit rate)
crit resist = 200 
atk < 2863 = full str
3316 < atk < 4044 = 1:1
atk > 4281 = full dex (66%)
  • above + lolopanther is same as crit resist = 130

lvl 330 Highlander + sissel + peta + 3 lvl 7 main hand green gem 
atk < 3808 = full str
atk > 5823 = full dex
crit resist = 200 
atk < 2015 = full str
atk > 4633 = full dex

lvl 330 Doppelsoeldner + sissel + peta + 3 lvl 7 main hand green gem + DoV 10 
atk < 7845 = full str (skill atk < 6332)
atk > 8724 = full dex (skill atk > 8316)
crit resist = 200 
atk < 5905 = full str (skill atk < 4392)
atk > 7453 = full dex (skill atk > 7044)

lvl 330 Fencer + sissel + peta + 3 lvl 7 main hand green gem + epee stance lvl 7 
atk < 1738 = full str
atk > 2188 = full dex
crit resist = 200 
atk < 1106 = 2:1 str:dex (<- technically impossible to go lower than this)
atk > 1683 = full dex

lvl 330 Swordsman + sissel + peta + 3 lvl 7 main hand green gem + Quicken + Monstrance 
atk < 2140 = full str
atk > 3550 = 100% crit rate
crit resist = 200 
atk < 1062 = full str (only possible if monster has really high defense)
atk > 3224 = 100% crit rate


As always, this only takes the damage formula up until crit attack because everything after that point is additional damage boosters. Also, this is assuming the enemy defense is at 0, so it will be higher in practice.

Nearly the same results as Archer, but they require more attack. I had a whole bunch of things I wanted to say about this when I was doing this, but I forgot what I was going to say so… yeah have fun.

Also, why does swordies have more dps variants? :confused:

p.s

lvl 330 Archer + ss + sissel + peta + 3 lvl 7 main hand green gem + Quicken + Monstrance 
atk < 1335 = full str
atk > 2635 = 100% crit rate (240:135 str:dex)
crit resist = 200 
atk < 1076 = 2.7:1 str:dex
atk > 2300 = 100% crit rate (152:223)
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#755

Your calc caps out at 100%. I think there’s probably some kind of cap at work like 95% or something.

#756

Wow, this one do helps a lot. and yea, Swordies to have lots of DPS variants lol. you’ve also added Quicken + monstrance for Archers. really works great.

#757

Here’s a damage calculator I whipped up.

To use it go to the file menu and make a copy for yourself.

#758

That was the main reason why I didn’t want to do swordies. :stuck_out_tongue:
A lot more to do than archers.

#759

jeezus, can’t wait my alt to advance fencer class already… still worried about rapier’s low durability though… especially when i saw you’re inventory having 4 extra rapiers… made me cringe :joy:

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#760

I only ever use one. Durability isn’t an issue

#761

How about when you were grinding? How long does your rapier usually hold out?

#762

idk a bit less than an hour or something its been a while

#763

Not sure if this is working as intended, but having my SR with 600 Block pen, and placing 190 (ET Hogma’s CON) it says Block chance of 0%, while these hogmas persistently block my SR attacks. (even retreat shots).

edit 1: even if i place 500 Block value for ET Hogma, it still says Block chance of 0%. not sure if this is working as intended.

#764

Hogma warrior having the same type like quarrel shooter.
theyll block projectile more often than other type physical attacks.

try bringing mediocre str sword, and see they block nothing. and bring high str archer and see they are blocking everywhere.

#765

this is the first time i heard about that, helps a lot.

or maybe is this in general? missile attacks tends to be blocked more than melee. (well, it makes sense). even other mobs blocks more often when i use my SR. while my Doppel with minimal STR ain’t having that much issue.

#766

Not sure, up until now I only know hogma warrior does that.
i dont know if theres other monster tat behave like that

#767

i’ll do some testing later, i think those green infro holder at Storage quarter blocks a lot too.

#768

Isnt this a str vs dex thread?

#769

Indeed this is, if you’ll take the time to read from top to bottom this thread’s already done.

Overall the winner is dex🤗

you’re still welcome to join my hybrid club though

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#770

Hybrids FTW.

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