It’s ok, it’s like free bumping xD
I am not asking for either of those. I just disagree with the things you said about all swordsmen should just be tanks.
well, you can’t really avoid tanking when you’re so close…
I’m okay with Swordsmen being buffed, but I don’t think any drastic buffs are in order. What a lot of people don’t realize is Swordsmen have one of the best gear scalings in the game. A Swordsman DPS main is bad, but obtaining all BiS gear and gems and stuff and then putting it on a DPS Swordsman could be disgusting.
The other thing to consider is that they’ve got a ridiculous HP modifier. I don’t disagree that they need some love in a PvE-situation but if they’re buffed too much it will negatively affect PvP. You need to find the happy medium. Truthfully I think just making NPCs take something like 20-40% increased damage from melee weapons, before the pierce/slash/strike modifier, would give Swordsman and Monks the much needed PvE buffs they need.
Again, I really REALLY hope they don’t boost Swordsman damage to be competitive with Archer/Wizard or it’s going to be a ■■■■ show for PvP.
PVP tends to have differences from PVE regarding skills and features.
However, we aren’t asking for PVP buffs. We just want PVE ones.
If they were to do these changes strictly to PVE I’d be absolutely happy with it.
Right but if they simply buff certain abilities or buff melee weapon damage those buffs will directly affect PvP. Which is why they need to make the Swordsman changes wisely or they’re going to seriously upset the other 3 classes.
No game is truly balanced, one time you are at the bottom and another you are the top. Everyone takes their turn.
Yeah, this isn’t really a PVP thread though.
But… But you can’t change something about a class without having it affect both PvE and PvP. This is a class change discussion thread. Ergo it is a PvP thread as much as it is a PvE thread.
They made cryo less effective in PVP for instance while keeping their use in PVE intact. I think they are aware there’s a need for both things to work differently.
Hunters in Ragnarok for instance were the kings of PVE but they had a permanent 50% damage reduction in guild wars to make them fair.
That’s true, that’s why swordman have higher natural HP than other classes. But not all swordmen want to hold their shields (only 3/12 classes use shield)
The HP multiplier only works with level up HP, it doesn’t work with gear HP and CON. At current max level, you can look at swordman with 30-50% more HP than other classes (unless someone is persistent enough to go full CON)
This is correct. The main problem with current PvP is that the plague doctor + stone skin + magic CC combo is too strong, not swordman damage too weak.
The recent status resistance buff to swordman might alleviate that, but we’ll have to wait for those scapegoats in KR to test that out 
Delete swordsman from tos completely! Every swordsman get to reroll! That solve everything. 
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barbarians c3 need a big buff too, the c3 skills are a joke
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thats not how %crit rate work. It base on your current crit rate. And swift step is can be share to party member.
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Thank you for not reading and confirming my post
You want me to accept that poor explanation?
kTOS Top 100 PVP May 16
Top 2 Dopplesoeldner 2
Top 29 Fencer 2
Top 35 Cannoner 1
Top 50 Cannoner 1
Top 78 Fletcher 3
Top 88 Cannoner 1
Top 92 Sniper
Top 98 Sniper
6 Archer Class on Top of 2 Swordsman Class. Then why swordsman on the top 2 if they really underwhelming?
The ranking already explain a lot and too lazy to explain why archer are so weak in term of PVP. Try to make archer and duel someone on shield, lets see the tears and disappointment you’ll get.
Base on your answers on skills area, Its all theory crafting. And snipe cant 1hit KO and easily block because of 1 hit damage. Do more research and testing. Don`t argue someone experience all classes.
In terms of PVE yeah. Archer are much better than swordsman but a very boring class. The damage they provide on a grind party is okay but eats a lot of SP specially Fletcher. Alchemist Pots are not cheap. And the arrow you need to craft are no joke. I have a lot of fun playing swordsman because of the action you receive on being in the frontline.
Do you know why grinding party dont want a DPS swordsman? Because they want a Tank swordsman that can swash buckling and make the grind easier. DPS swordsman are the least priority on a party. But it doesn’t mean DPS swordsman are useless. Your guys just not satisfied and jelly to other class. You want damage and tankiness. So whats the use of other classes. Swordsman HP are 1/2 of cleric and archer and 1/3 of wizard. You guys have a balance issue.