Evasion can get by other classes too but dash, only swordsman can do it. Stun/freeze/sleep is not a escape mechanism.
Did I ever mention that your not allowed to play? I only say that if your a loner, prepare to face the hardness of this game. Unlike if your with your friends grinding/doing quest on party mode. The hard job become easy. This applied on real world too. So if your a loner dont complain on every hardship yoube facing cos you meant to face that alone. Get my point? Retarded!
kTOS got a major buff on Str damage and skill damage yet swordsman still crying. What they really want to achieve? Hunter and Falconer patiently waiting for the issue about the pet AI. Chronomancer/Linker/Thaug share almost all of there skill same with Clerics class. Swordsman and thier self buffs.
Lets see the weapon damage of highest weapon character can get.
Twohand Weapons
Lolopanther Pike 425-576
Lolopanther Bow 427-641
The Damage are not really far on each other and they receive same damage when upgrade. Melee weapon hit multiple enemy, bow/crossbow/Riffle hit only single enemy.
And you guys want to buff your damage more. On every class there is a Pros and Cons. You want to remove the con of the swordsman. The hell you want to achieve. Even on Ragnarok online swordsman dont have huge damage. I played Swordsman3/Cataphract3 too during CBT2 and Barbarian3/Dopple during CBT3 and decide to try other class on OBT. I donâs see any problem till I reach level 200.
Swordsman doesnât need buffs. Swordsman needs finetuning. Finetuning =/= buff. things like making melee hitbox bigger, aiming skills easier for all classes. Also a resolve system where you are immune to cc for a few second after getting chained cc like they have in swtor would be great. This is quality of life changes that is applicable to all melee classes, not just swordsman.
iâve seen cleric doing more damage than swordsman b4. Not saying thereâs anything wrong with cleric hitting huge numbers, but itâs pretty immersion breaking considering cleric is supposed to be a healing class.
also iâve seen sadhu first hand and they looked pretty neat. Not sure what its like actually playing one though.
Smite is insane, cant comprehend how it deals such an immense damage with the values shown. Even gets huge buffs by party play.
Thereâs something call ranged attack too, tell me how to get that as swordman as well, genius. Stun/freeze/sleep is not escape? You hold opponent in place for 10 seconds and running away never cross your mind?
Calling names now eh? So much for reasoning.
I never complain about hardship alright? I complain about the fact that everyone keep saying âoh swordman go tank and pelt!!â and simply kick you away when you want to do DPS. Thatâs not even hardship, thatâs total shutdown.
Tell me how 150 extra damage at level 280 is major buff.
That is bug, not balance issue.
Right because god forbid you to use skills, only auto attack have meaning. People complain about skill hit box if you havenât notice
Let see mage and archer
Pros:
Swordman:
Pros:
How on earth that giving swordman more damage would make them better than archer and mage? That melee cons will not magically go away
No one have problem till 200. Itâs the 220+ that matters.
Well even TOS developers disagrees with you. They keep on buffing swordsman damage in kTOS. Something that IMC said will implement once the balances are finalized.
Swordsman would be perfectly fine if they have something to stop themselves from getting chain cced to death. Thereâs no point to have a class thatâs melee range and deals no damage other than for tanking purpose.
Atm, All other class can enjoy pve and pvp content.
Swordsman can only enjoy pve unless youâre a cataphract.
iâm not asking for swordsman buff, but there honestly needs to be a timer for cc in general. for every class. thereâs no way getting perma stunned is fun for anyone
im not saying cleric does bad damage, Cleric2>Krivis2>Bokor2>PD or druid can hit high numbers, and monk if they ever manage to get past circle 1. i havent even got to circle 1, still at mage tower Q_Q. but sadhu⌠its listed as a support/dps class, but is SUPER bad at both. i mean, possession wrecks stuff, does more dmg than ppl i walk past in open world, but oob⌠that skill is in need of a buff.
Stun/freeze/sleep is a crowd control and its far to called being escape mechanism.
Swordsman can just pain barrier dash in and the thing you said range is gone.
I just pinpoint what I said before because you react on a different way. That`s a retarded moves.
Swordsman don`t have balance issue. You just want to get a buff that unnecessary to the game. Favoring one class lead to balance issue.
Like I said hitbox are not a problem as long you using mouse mode.
Okay tell me what skill on the archer classes that makes you feel underwhelming. That make you say that archer have a huge damage. And don`t dare to include Fletcher cos the arrow crafting mechanics eats huge part of your weight and you cant stock many. You need to constantly go to fletcher master to craft arrows. Broom trap and Rogue damage already nerf.
Wizard need to get a specific class to get a Huge AOE damage(Wiz3/Elem3). Most of wizard class are for crowd control and support. Pyromancer damage are so linear and can easily dodge by players. Cryo are a bunch of CC. Psycho too. Linker is a support. Thaum and chrono too. Sorcerer need to invest a huge amount of money to got a good damage. Necro corpse mechanics are so bad and so annoying. Warlock got a huge nerf on one of there best skill because you guys crying so much. Ow feather foot got huge damage.
Because when you CC someone god forbid you to retreat, you need to stay close to them until the CC goes out.
Right, thatâs why swordman takes 2/100 top PvP spot, because range is not an advantage
Guess IMC made a huge mistake by buffing swordman in KR version then. Maybe they should hire you as balance expert lol
Hitbox =/= aim
25% crit rate from swift step
16x damage scale from multi shot
10x damage scale from barrage
6x damage scale from spiral arrow
7s cd 5x overheat twin arrow
0s cd stone shot
0s cd split shot
0s cd critical shot
5s cd 150% +3k damage on cannoneer
1 hit KO everything on snipe
300% scaling + 3k damage on rank 7 classes
Do I need to list more? Yes I listed nothing on fletcher as you asked.
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Cryo are a bunch of CC. Psycho too.
[/quote]Swordman has none
Best PvP build is support?
500k for temple shooter is huge?
Flesh hoop just got buffed
Still more damage than swordman, on top of previous ranks.
-Still not a escape mechanism.
-Thats the ranking on kTOS 2 months ago. 2 Dragoon rank3 and rank 18. And no archer.
-LOL your sounds like a girl dump by his bf. They only put 30%resistance to CC while dashing and STR physical atk gain. Rest are skill problem fixed. Do you read the patch notes? And there is a chance that its not applied on iTOS.
-Okay
-0s CD stone shot? With a long animation and delay. Nobody using that.
-0s CD Split shot is the bread and butter of scout for PVE. No one used it on PVP/GVG
-0s CD Critical shot? no one using this on PVP/PVE. They rather throw AOE skill or do normal to reserve mana.
-5s cd Cannon shot/Shootdown. Its a cannon on the face. What do you expect?
-Snipe 1hit KO? Really? or Snipe = Block + its Hard to aim on a moving target.
-The PVP is 5on5. Do you expect that support only support on PVE.
-500k Temple Shooter 1STAR! Try level up it or Find level 9.
-Flesh hoop buff and no body used flesh hoop. Ask necro how hard to throw skills and managing your corpes count.
-This guy want to outdamage a mage. What kind of logic is that.
Its 25% Crit RATE! - In most cases thas less than 25% Crit 
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Iâm a 280 swordman.
Swordman is trash in comparison to archer and wiz.
Archer can do hundreds of thousands of damage per minute. With a 30k+ 0 sec cd skill and several 10 secs or less skills that do over 50k of damage each.
The âstrongestâ swordman skill Gaebulg at 100% damage attribute does 11k damage with a 30 sec cd and MAKES YOU LOSE YOUR SPEAR reducing your damage until you grab it. â â â â â â â utter trash.
Even if you make strong skills like dragontooth and cyclone 0 cd and buff the damage of every single swordman skill by 100%. Swordman would still be subpar to archer.
Anyone who says Swordsmen have low damage is absolutely out of their minds. Their damage is decent, but there are a few issues to consider in this game itself, mechanically in PvE and in comparison:
Most things have knockback and cancelling abilities the higher you get up. Without Pain Barrier, you run the gambit of getting your skills cancelled and having no impact with that skill at all. Wizards and Archers donât get that simply because, ayy, they attack at medium to long ranges to not worry about it. So right now, your DPS is semi-dependent on Pain Barrier which doesnât even protect you against certain ailments such as Freeze, Sleep, or Petrification.
Archers and Wizards both have scaling on their skills, whether it be by their cooldowns or just a plain % addition onto the skills. Accompanied usually with good amounts of multi-hit skills, their damage is quite higher than youâd expect. Any Wiz3 gets a straight 100% uptime +50% to every spell they have, and Archers tend to have skills that bounce or afflict multiple enemies at once. Swordsmen donât, most of what we have are flat increases which make earlier levels easier but have no bearing in the later levels. This leads our damage to be okay, but not amazing.
Some Swordies have wonky hitboxes. I play a Hopsair, and Stabbing sometimes straight lies on what it can hit or not. The fact that ironically Stabbingâs hitbox is shorter on a class that augments range is dumb, and any movement cancels it as well. All an Archer has to worry about is locking onto a target and both they and Wizards worry about small AoE areas.
Right now, the kToS buff helped, but it isnât enough considering thatâs not where the problem stems. Rather, they shouldnât tackle numbers like that and should go after the crappy skills that have no bearing: For instance, GungHo and Concentrate and making them have percentage scaling.
Actually, that bugs me. Why does Peltasta have % increases on itâs attributes but base Swordie doesnât?
Good post, lets hope they will read it. donât listen to other trolls.
Iâve been playing with my swordman (currently at level 180) but I want to reroll. Even If I love melee classes Iâm feeling really useless especially on dungeons.
Still in denial?
Still 2/100 right?
There are 6 archers on the ranking
In case you havenât notice, dash is canceled if you take damage. No, not CC, just plain damage. Guess who can deal damage from ranged.
Do you read latest announcement? They might adjust the fix, but the direction will not be changed. They will test it out on kTOS first before applying to iTOS.
Except with you charge multishot, you have some swordmen that you called retard shielding for you, not sitting duck on front line
Just like any swordmen skill, except 10x is better than most swordmen skills
7s stun no one use? ok
200% scaling damage no one use? ok
What about 2h spear/sword on the face? 30-40s cd and no scaling?
Somebody told me mouse mode = easy aim haha
Try to hit any swordman skill without cataphract trot, on moving target, the go back and tell me how hard to aim snipe is.
Yeah right, because those hit more than 1 targets from ranged. Oh wait.
I heard there is 15v15 GvG as well, guess I was wrong, all those youtube videos lied
Right, try paying silver to get range on swordman if you can. I would pay 50m for that.
Try manage swordman skill rotation while dodging attack and CC, you donât even know what hard is
The logic of juggernaut, duelist, berserker, avenger etcâŚ
You are right more or less. However, swordman currently can only burst, their DPS is gimped by cooldown.
That ace guy keeps putting up strawman arguments for the sake of derailing the thread just ignore him.