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[Suggestion] Token price reduction compensation

Yep, they’re on point regarding who has to be compensated. They could as well have given tokens instead of TP, but i guess doing so directly would have been worse as far as their market value goes.

Except they arent aiming to compensate those who spent TP, they are compensating those who have purchased token either with TP or Silver and currently have it.

The problem here is that you THINK the ppl that need compensation are those who spent TP. No one forced you to sell a 198 TP item for Half it’s price in silver.

It’s only your speculation that Tokens WOULD be cheaper IF they costed less on Early Access. Shall we read your words again?

Pure. Speculation. :grin:

Given that your speculation was about pricing in the EARLY ACCESS (which would have impacted pricing by then, just read your text again), I’m not sure where you’re going with the week passing june 7th.

And all I see is me wasting my time on a pointless debate filled with strawmen.

Reasons were given. Maybe try and read all the posts on this thread without all your bias? :grin:

I’m sowwy, abusive sarcastic Depwox is just tewible.

Given that you were talking about things that could or could not have happened if variables have changed during a period of time that has already passed, it’s not an accusation: It’s a reality. Just let it sink.

Thats a fallacy. Players bought an item for price that both seller and buyer agreed upon (through market system or direct trade). Buyers got their ITEM (not TP), and seller got their silver.

After price change token buyers wont end up with “half of token” as you put it, and as i said earlier because it cannot be re-sold buyers didnt lose anything.

If Tokens were re-sellable that would have been a whole different story.

3-4 months from now? Are you even serious? That’s a long ass time from now and so many other factors can happen to flux the price. I thought you had 1 month in mind at most but damn, you are being ridiculous.

but some some reason I don’t see you complaining about it,and of course your entire thread can be summed up as
IMC decided to compensate silver bought tokens as well, so… yeah.

Lol I am so done, can’t believe I wasted time trying to make you see your own hypocrisy when imc is never going to oblige the thread anyway, so… yeah.

@deprox Started reading but all I see is ad hominem and a failure to understand how supply and demand works, not even bothering with an articulated response.

Supply and demand, ever heard of it?
If the only item that you can buy with TP and sell for silvers gets its price halved, and thus sees its supply rising, it is only natural that the price shall decrease.
If they costed 99 TP to start with, their price would have been lower from the start. That’s basic economics.

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Except they bought an item worth real money with in game currency and this said item just got devalued.

So this agreed upon price was with the notion that this item was worth $18-20. The seller got their moneys worth in silver, while the buyers item just got devalued.

Actually, it should be 2-3 months since it will be time when 2x 60-day tokens expire on those who bought both Founders’ #1 DLCs.

Can i not have an open opinion on the way IMC does things if i feel like they are illogical/irrational about it? Hypocrisy? where? I clearly said that in OP and that hasn’t changed.

[quote=“Gringe, post:47, topic:280148”]
The seller got their moneys worth in silver, while the buyers item just got devalued.
[/quote]Again. they cant re-sell it so monetary value of bought token is irrelevant. They only value token holds is benefits it provides once consumed and those haven’t been changed.

Go to the market, buy a banana for 2 dollars.
Go to the market tomorrow and buy a banana for 1 dollar, complaim to the market that you should receive a compensation for your 2 dollars banana that you already ate.

RIP Logic.

The actual players who bought the tokens using their real money sold the token for an amount of silver that is equivalent to 198 TP.

So they actually got a fair conversion of their 198 TP into silvers.

Now with the changes. Token’s value literally got halved due to it’s TP price being halved. That’s common sense.

Naturally, it is unfair for those who bought the token using silvers equivalent to 198 TP. So IMC decided to compensate for such loss whether you still own the token or whether you own a token which was bought from the market.

Meanwhile, with OP’s logic. Those who have already sold the token for silvers equivalent to 198 TP should get the compensation instead. facepalm

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PPL buy tokens 4 198TP and sold it about 350-380k each. (yes, when i sold all of my tokens, its cost about 350k). Some ppl (high lvl players with much of money, farm on Bees about 120-130k per hour, so about 3 hour for 1 token) buy it from market and some ppl now have about 20-30 tokens (coz its be really cheap a little time ago). 198TP its still 20$. So 20$ long time ago = 3 hour on Bees.
Now IMC give compensation 4 tokens. Who have - have some TP for each of them.
Now question: is it right?

ppl who buy TP from IMC by realmoney no have any compensation.
ppl who buy token`s by 3 hour in game grind - have compensation in TP 4 each of Token in inventory.

Nice Joke IMC) I buy 3 tokens from market now 4 650k each, coz its a good way 4 have some TP after 7 of june.

But its still not right compensation system. And i sad yes - ppl who sold they tokens 4 silver (350-380k for each of them) must have compensation. Coz they buy TP from IMC (by real money) and buy tokens 4 198TP (if they have some time and still have TP, now they can sell each token about 550-650k each, but have all tokens X 2, and yes, after 7 of june token prize not drop really big, maybe only in first 3-4 days, when in market we can see tokens from ppl, who have compensation.

And 4 everybody who say: ppl sell tokens 4 silver - they have silver - so no compensation.
ppl who buy tokens by silver - have a premium. So maybe no campensation too?

The End.

Have Fun! :slight_smile:

Thats not what i said. Read again.


You have only yourself to blame for being stupid impatient. You got your silver.

Just give the players who have 30d tokens another token that’s untradable “PROBLEM SOLVED” right mr @hkkim ? People won’t feel cheated about prices and hoarders well gets another token avoiding any possibility for them to buy any other stuff in the tp shop which other players are constantly complaining about.

Okay, upon re-reading, your suggestion is indeed different BUT is still unfair for those who bought it with silvers equivalent to 198 TP around the time they bought the item.

Your suggestion favors spenders even though they already got the silvers from selling tokens. Meanwhile your so-called Hoarders which actually still bought the tokens at a price equivalent to 198 TP doesn’t fully get compensated even though they bought it fair and square.

Honestly, this is nothing complicated. Hoarders or not, they bought the item with fair amount of silvers based on the judgement of the seller on how much 198 TP is worth. The sellers got their wanted silvers, the buyer gets their token.

With the change, what is being devalued? The silvers or the tokens? If it’s not obvious enough, it’s the tokens. Who devalued it? IMC. So who should IMC compensate for such change? The ones with the tokens.

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I got my silver. PPL who buy tokens from market - got they tokens. So why they have Comp but i am not. Simple? :grin:

ppl who buy tokens by silver now have 30 day premium (what they want when buy it) and have 99TP 4 each of them. ppl who sold it 4 silver have they silver, (buy TP by real money b4) - dont have 99TP.

Why?

Lol totally agree what u said. OP jus being naive…
Personally I jus feel OP sold his token, perhaps a lot of token for silver. Now he is regret and he wishes compensation going his way instead of his token buyer. So he got both silvers and compensation

Ok This is the reason they are adding this compensation and I Guarantee this is the reason.

Veteran’s pack did not get TP; what they want to subsidize is the
fact that they want to add TP with veteran pack so what they will do is
give 99 tp with the Veteran pack.

Beginner’s pack could not purchase a token for the 190 tp that came with the pack so they are making the token 99 tp.

THIS is the reason and the reasoning for the other stuff as in to
give all that TP to people that hoarded Tokens was not thought out by
them.

Tokens not a real devalued after changes. Coz now 300k its a really fust to grind. Tokens still be about 500-650k, later they will be about 1.5-2mil. So who must have compensation? :smiling_imp:

I seriously don’t know how to reply to you so that you would fully understand the situation. IMO, just give it up. You sold the tokens at a ridiculously low price, you got your wanted -pffft- 350k silvers so be happy.

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Nope, it doesnt. It favors those who had the TP to buy tokens AND still have those tokens in possession.


I find it impossible to have a discussion when people just cant understand whats clearly written.

Instead they assume things and then try to prove you wrong about things they assumed.