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Status of Event Items from Transcendence Changes

Seriouslty guy, every week you ruin my desires to play, i don’t recive any blessed, I can’t enjoy the event for a week, besides the lag and freeze en server silute is awfull

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@STAFF_Yuri Not acceptable, please further elaborate on this matter

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help! what should i do, i didn’t noticed this issue and i already upgraded all my untradables ; w ;

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I am not affected by this, but its a very big f*ck up and the only acceptable solution is to do the same full gem return for these items, just like all other items. Nothing less or different.

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This is not acceptable, if you can not do your work properly this is not the player’s fault.

You should give at least 50% (or more) of the gems back to us since we spent time and effort for it going to saulus day after day.

We have enough problems with your company sugarcoating the bots problem and turning a blind eye on hook users every single day and on top of that we have constants freezes and lag spikes on your SA servers.

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What good is an event of transcendence, if all my gems are stuck in my event weapon? And worse, because of the lack of prior notice from the IMC, now I can’t even take back my blessed gem out of the weapon :sleepy:

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From what I understand here:

  • Night Market items won’t receive resets
  • However, people affected will receive (gems spent during prior Transcendence - gems required for current Transcendence level on equipment affected) worth of gems as compensation
  • These gems will be given in market retrieve tab after next maintenance (so, next Tuesday).

I don’t get why IMC can’t tweak event weapons though. IMO if they really can’t edit event weapons, just delete the affected weapon, give the player an identical copy without Transcendence applied, and return all the gems.

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oooh~ i understand now, so i still get half of the gems that i used before the patch OwO

that is good, at least for me, since all i wanted is to retrance my untradables and not use the gems for other quips, though i already did using the gems from my other trans quips, i think i might end up having more extra gems by then OxO; since im not going to retrance the old lower level quips that ive stored for so long

though i would like to add that the untradables from the pokemon event didnt got rolled back too, and i am still currently using my windia rod :'D

will those quips get a rollback too?

They could at least give us back all gems invested and leave the item unchanged since they want to be lazy… or just put an npc that trade items for gems. I woldn’t mind loosing my item if I could return my gems

The Blessed Gem update and its drastic changes made all untradeable items now tradable. This was then followed with gem refunds to help preserve the items.

However, event items were not taken into account, since event items are built to be untradeable. (Well this part is clearly our fault and we apologize for not making the announcement sooner. We’re so sorry about this again)

Event items are designed to not be considered as tradable property. However, due to the transcendence update, users whom invested on event item will be at a disadvantage when paying extra gems on each transcendence level.

So to minimize the loss on post- transcendence updates and as an alternative, we chose to refund 50% of the GEM used in transcendence. Which means, giving back the extra cost you used.

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well, it’s fine that we only get half of it, but we also can’t avail the event’s half discount on even-numbered transcendence ; w ;

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This is the part i disagree with.Why not just refund 100% of the gem cost, these [Untradable] weapons cannot be storaged nor traded at all, if you keep people’s weapons/armor transcendence and refund back 100% of the gems they won’t make a profit of these weapons simply cause they are destined to die and get dismantled or discarded.
You are not hurting the economy by refunding 100% people’s blessed gems, cause i will repeat, you cannot trade these weapons nor get gems back off it with the new system.

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i just want my old trans % back from these untradable equips without costing me anything / w \

why not just leave them at their respective trans % (former stage 3 = current stage 6) without gem refunds ; w ;

though my problem now is that i transcended these untradables using the gems i got from other equipts ‘w’;;;;;;;

Thank you for the reply.

I still wanna call for some reasonable thought here, around the fact that we were able to remove those Gems before (even being 90% of them), and now this option is not in the game anymore. Add this to the fact that the patch note didn’t specify this particular treatment for such Equipment, so we end up not able to retrieve them in advance if we did not want the different outcome you are giving now without a choice. We were not expecting this, once the patch said every equipment with transcend would be affected.

Yes, you are giving Gems back to us, but the amount of Gems that will be lost is the point here, considering that the Event Equipment are the only ones being treated different after all the changes already applied. Even that those equipment were easier to obtain/craft, the investment for the transcend was the same as a regular weapon, it should not deserve a different outcome, specially that it will be still untradable.

Please, reconsider this action. There is no way you can not run this same code again, removing the tradable change factor and focus the code only on these Event Equipment. We are not asking the equipment to become tradable, just give them the same treatment as all the other received. This was not even being considered after reading the patch note, it only became a thing after we all (players and staff included, apparently) realized these Event items were not handled correctly.

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They will remain at their respective trans LEVEL

former stage 3 = current stage 3. (You will be refunded for 50% of the gems used, as all gem costs were reduced by 50%)

Per tier % was changed from 20% to 10%.

Maximum % was changed from 200% (tier10) to 100% (tier10)

You cannot directly compare the upgraded % (former stage 3 is NOT EQUAL to current stage 6).

Edit: To clarify. There is an overall nerf in trans ‘upgrade points’, but a BUFF in trans ‘upgrade value’, as it is a % upgrade calculated from the base stats of the item. However, MAX POWER IS NOW CHEAPER TO OBTAIN.

Here is why: Lets take an item of stat 1000

Old trans:
Base: 1000 + Trans10: 200% x 1000 = 2000
Total stats at trans10: 3000

New trans (50% cheaper):
Base: 1500 (Increase of 50% in base stat value for all weapons) + Trans10: 100% x 1500 = 1500
Total stats at trans10: 3000

So your total stats at trans10 is the same, AND it is 50% cheaper.

Directly comparing percentage upgrades:
Old trans weapon is 100% + 200% (10 x 20%)
Current weapon is 150% + 150% (10 x 15%)
50% of the upgrade power was transferred to the base weapon strength (So as to close the upgrade gap between new players and your whales).

Comparing upgrade strength / value shows a different result, however:
150%(New)/200%(Old) = 75% (25% flat reduction in upgrade strength)
50%(New)/100%(Old) = 50% (50% flat reduction in costs)

For a 25% reduction in upgrade strength, you get 50% reduction in costs. That gives us an overall benefit, instead of a nerf.

Wew, that was a long post :tired:

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i guess .___. so basically the new trans mechanics nerfed the % on stuff that’s now buffed, i get it 'w’b

This isn’t a reason to treat them differently because untradable event items and normal transcended items were functionally the same as each other before the patch. Many people who transcended event items only did it because they worked the same way as normal ones. They would have avoided transcending event items and chosen normal items instead if they had known there’d be a difference.

It’s unfair for IMC to announce incorrect information in the patch notes and then surprise players when it’s already too late. Give players an option to sacrifice the event items to get the rest of their shards back.

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50% is ridiculous when all other items are getting 100% refunds. Many players wanted to take ALL of the gems from their event items and use them in new items, considering transcended items are now tradeable–the whole reason event items were appealing to transcend was their untradeability and transcendence also being untradeable, so it was a worthwhile investment with the ultimate plan to break the untradeable item down the road for shards. The tradeability aspect now changes the game and I, for one, want my gems out of my event items and into a tradeable item.

But now, we are receiving a 50% penalty? For what? Participating in events? At bare minimum event item users should receive shards equal to the value they would be if dismantled.

More ridiculous even is the fact that none of this was said before the patch. I understand unforeseen problems arise, then you should have communicated this to players and delayed the patch to allow for users to dismantle their weapons, if they choose to do so. Or, make an event NPC that allows only event items to be dismantled after the patch for a set period of time.

Instead, you are choosing to penalize players not only in gem amount but making them wait an entire week to receive the gems. You did not warn players at all about this outcome and it is unfair to penalize them for your lack of planning regarding this patch.

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while i am ok with the 50% if i look at it as a nerf rather than an adjustment to lessen the gap between trans and non trans quips

though it would be nice if it’s more than 50% due to the even-stages discount of the event if we were to retrance it

i guess those people who didn’t break their weapons to expect a full refund are the ones who gets the short end of the stick as this detail wasn’t mentioned ‘w’;;

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@Aoi_Kanashi See my edited prior post. Its not a nerf, really.

For the rest of you, I suspect what happened is an unexpected issue in making the trans’ed items tradable.

If they were to run the same code as the normal trans’ed items, I suspect that it might result in your [Event] items being tradable, and this was the only solution that would work in a short period of time.

Regrettable? Yes. Can it be fixed to give a full refund? No clue. IMC’s own backend.

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