Tree of Savior Forum

So I look over the forum and all I see is complaints

Yes, there’s something really wrong about that. That’s one of the legitimate subjects to complain about and I think no one disagrees this should be fixed. Yet it would be really childish to demand it being fixed right now and wanting tons of compensation for it, as that would be unrealistic. There’s been long thread about it and Staff promised to send a summary of it to the devs.

@Darumy I get what you’re saying. It doesn’t hurt to try improving the situation, though, even if it turn out to be waste of time and energy :slight_smile:

And last time I checked World of Tanks’ forums (more than year ago), they were really nice when it comes to level of discussion and feedback. But then again that’s one huge budget game and discussing about tanks is rather nerdy subject so it’s probably part of the reason why less “qualityposters” lurk there. It’s also really competitive game so crybabies quit before even getting into rank 5 tanks.

One things for sure: OP knows how to make a sick burn.

i see new IMC pet …

“my complaint is worth more than your complaint”

ahaha

You sound like a tool, show me a game that is successful from the player base staying silent and complying.

  1. You are a typical white knight, getting your kicks from looking for anything that is being criticized and/or hated, regardless whether or not its justified or not.
    Im sorry kid, i get your point, but unless you can relay it objectively, without lashing out against those who have legit complaints, you are just writing an admission that you have an sjw class mental disorder which makes you get boners from shielding others from legit criticism.

  2. The phrase “This is the most entitled ridiculous nonsensical community I have ever seen” sounds like this is the first game you have ever played… or the first game forum you have ever visited.
    I understand the need for exaggeration, but this makes YOU look like an idiot.

  3. Wanting the car you just bought to actually work? Entitlement. Sure bro.

  4. The game is full with archaic design choices and/or the lack of any choices, such as absolutely no cheater countermeasures and the notion that the entire playerbase should be restricted to hell because of said sellers, and then just to place the cherry on the top of the restriction pile, the chat is not blocking any gold sellers, but it will block me for writing class, which is supposedly the same as ass.
    Pointing this out? Then you are a whiner according to forex

  5. The notion that i should be thankful for handing out my money is pretty much the paradox of being both a white knight and being mentally handicapped.

  6. Thanking and encouraging the devs while the game is burning down around them will get you where guild wars 2 is standing right now: on the edge of discontinuing development.

Just whatever, im not gonna make 60 points here, get your kicks from somewhere else.

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On himself? Yeah, its pretty sick i guess.

Exactly, OP is;

WHITE KNIGHT WHITE KNIGHT WHITE KNIGHT WHITE KNIGHT

:sleepy:

I appreciate your post, but I work for an indie game design company, and the thing is, they are NOT trained for this… making a game is an incredibly arduous experience that requires constant thought and strain, so when you ask if it is the attitude or the complaint that bothers me. It is more the attitude. Coming from people that have never worked at game company much less designed a game from scratch, it is discouraging, to myself but I am sure even more to the actual developers of this game to hear non-stop negative feedback on nonsense like “why don’t we get more dungeon runs.” If it was constructive like “The servers have been down a lot, here is some information I gathered from my ISP to help you get it straightened out” that is not a complaint, that is feedback. Complaints are when people chose highlander at level 30 and get to level 150 and cry because they can’t pay cash to completely ignore half of the experience and get what they want. This is the part that agitates me and was the source of the malice in my post.

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Ragnarok online had one of the longest runs as a successful populated and money making game… not only was it designed by the same people but for the first years the contact to the developers was limited to none at all.

  1. I sympathize with them because I am in the same field, not sure how that is a class whatever mental disorder as I am not a psychology major.

  2. This is not the first game I have played, just the first that has 90% of people asking to skip the entire game experience because they are overly lazy, while saying they enjoy the game.

  3. You didn’t buy a car… you didn’t even buy an account. Read the terms of service, you bought nothing…

  4. Absolutely no cheater countermeasures results in thousands of bots banned, and random bosses that spawn and kill people… My bad, I misunderstood their use.

  5. You should be thankful that they built something you felt was worth you handing out your money.

  6. Thanking and encouraging the devs to help them repair the issues, which are fairly minor in the grand scheme is called productive. If a fireman is putting out your house fire you don’t scream and shout at him about how shitty he is doing, you encourage him. How is that hard to understand?

You didn’t make 1 point, so if you I suppose you would be a long way from 60.

That statement alone proved you’re ignorant.
What proved do you have about no contact to the developers?
How about Korean Forum? Dont talk Sh- if you dont know SH-!!

Q: Is Tree of Savior a sequel to Ragnarok Online?

No, it isn’t. The only relations that Tree of Savior have with Ragnarok Online is Kim Hakkyu,
the CEO of imcGAMES (Tree of Savior’s developers), who worked as a lead
designer on Ragnarok Online from 1998 to 2002, and SoundTeMP (Tree of
Savior’s composers), the group that made soundtracks for Ragnarok
Online.

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@black_light Dang, no mercy lol.

What does that have anything to do with IMC though? Do you honestly think because you have “indie” game experience as you claim makes yourself qualified to defend IMC?

My girlfriend is a software engineer and I’m a 3D graphics modeler. We’ve done mods for video games and also worked on some games as side projects. I understand entirely how this works, but we both agree that IMC has improvements to do. I have video game experience so that must mean I’m clearly as qualified as you are to state my opinions now aren’t I?

Everyone here has bought the game to support IMC in the first place. That’s why we bought early access.

Let’s talk about Mighty No.9. You know… the kickstarter game that was completely funded by fans, had over 2 million dollars… then they fked up so hard by mismanaging funds, pushing deadlines and the game is about 2 years late now? Are you going to tell all those people that they are ungrateful idiots that don’t understand how game developing works? Keep in mind that Concept was funded by fans with over a 2 million dollar budget.

If people didn’t bitch at Microsoft for releasing a piece of ■■■■ Vista was, do you honestly think they would have cared to improve it? The reason why companies strive for improvement is because of customer satisfaction and feedback. Clearly there is something gone horribly wrong when this game has a 6/10 on steam rating.

So no, you have no reason to be coming here posting an idiotic thread trying to defend IMC because you don’t work for them. You’re just here to entice another riot and this is the reason why people shouldn’t be taking you so seriously.

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I don’t quite understand your statement. I suppose that makes me ignorant but could you try to reformat it? Also Tree of Savior is designed by Kim Hakkyu, lead designer… he also designed Ragnarok Online…

I have the right to defend whoever I want. Whether or not I am qualified is up to your interpretation. Though you still seem to believe you purchased a game, you did not. You bought nothing, and just like that kickstarter, you are entitled to nothing. Investments are just that, money given towards the prospect of something that could be. Though this is only an investments in the loosest sense of the term, because you have no rights as an investor, but hey, you clicked the “I accept” button…

Come to Reddit, we complain less.

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So those who complained did nothing wrong. So what’s your problem?
Constructive feedback or not it’s non of your issue.
If you have the right to defend, then what makes them any less of a right to bash this game?

Can you not argue without placing others in ‘labeled boxes’? Is it so hard to find actual arguments, instead of trying to discredit the person you are replying to?

If a vocal part (one might say, a minority) would not have been so loud all the time, seeking attention for their own hurt feelings; then perhaps we would be able to get more attention on the actual problems affecting the game, don’t you think?

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I see. I was thinking that IMC, being composed of people somewhat known in the mmorpg industry, would hire paid professionals to do programming for them. I know that working in the game industry is tough with a lot of crunch time for generally lower pay, and not something you do without actual passion for making games. And as someone who has made little dumb games for fun, programming is very tough to work with on a time limit, even if you are professionally trained. Some bugs are just baffling if you’re not used to it, artwork and sprites are tedious, etc. I can see how upsetting it would be as a small team if complaints were constantly negative, insulting, and unreasonable. (that’s why I joked around in another thread and said "when is IMC going to pull a phil fish HAHA)

But in my opinion, they presented themselves as a capable company and simply didn’t live up to that. I agree that 50 bucks isn’t an unreasonable price relative to an average american’s wallet and the time you’d spend in the game, but 50 bucks is also what many triple A games charge (though they can afford to charge lower, I suppose). Dark Souls is sixty bucks for the entire game. They also do not communicate as well as I’ve seen indie devs do, like on Duck Game for instance. The dev is very open, personable, and genuinely tries to connect with his players. I suppose my impressions and expectations of IMC was wrong from the beginning.

I won’t say they’re a horrible, failure of a company (they DID listen to the players and are trying to work steadily on small changes, which I think is actually good), but things like leaving a server broken for 5 days or failing to address how unenjoyable the bad spawn rates are minus a single patch line that didn’t do much anyways are the things that make me feel dissatisfied.

I dunno, of course people would love respect and appreciation. It’d always be nice if everyone was civil and open to each other. Sometimes I think about how uh badly the community takes IMC’s actions and I cringe simply because I feel bad for them. But complaints are natural, we are not exactly testers. You are right in that the nature of the complaints is not good, but I will say that people are not restricted to talking in a certain tone, no matter how nice it would be.

Also, I feel like people do not believe at all that some suggestions are actually legitimately honest (though there definitely are people who aren’t, and a lot of them). Whether they are good or bad is another thing, but I actually do believe that some people who wanted circle resets and dungeon entrances revamped are thinking of how those things impact the game’s enjoyablity for everyone. Of course, both those subjects are very divided and not urgent compared to exisiting issues in the first place, but it somewhat bothers me when people assume that everyone who doesn’t simply bug report is just trying to get a cut of the cake for themselves with disregard for negative impacts on the game. For instance, I thought circle resets were reasonable, even though I did not intend to ever use them (though I do think they’re very intrusive on how the game was initially envisioned to be played). If these ideas were just completely stupid from a developer standpoint, they could disregard it and shut down the argument.

To be fair, you didnt buy ToS, you only paid to be able to access the servers before many others.