Tree of Savior Forum

So I look over the forum and all I see is complaints

General Discussion
#61

I agree completely with the OP I want to ask since when did people in the community focus on aspects that would be considered negative and would rather complain then you know use your brain to work around for a solution for example.

In game Positive : My class appears to be running out of SP too quick might need to compensate with some SPR and take the hit from lowering my damage out put.

Forum Positive : Well lets look at what optional are presented and understand why things are the way they are.

In game Negative : this class sp runs out too quick I demand it gets buff or this is a crappy class and is total underpowered compared to other class.

Forum Negative : I don’t like it therefore the devs are doing this to steal my money unless they can meet my impossible demands because I am the customer even thou I did not pay a penny but I am still what makes the game also the devs are idiots and I’m a genus because I play the game and they don’t.

I guess the negative would rather live in ignorance and expect others to please them like a court jester wile us positive players look to information and gain understanding to what is presented to us.

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#62

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What the hell should I be looking for in the stupid agreement you mentioned of :sleepy:

#63

Except
 they let players buy their early access 2-3 times more even after owning the original early access.

When IMC sells you TP and cash shop items, it means they are selling you a good. It’s not just “early access” at that point anymore.

You are literally paying for virtual goods at that point. So it’s not just earlier access to a server. The fact that you own TP means you have a digital good that they sold you at a discount.

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#64

if you dont like this, then dont go on the forums. this is a forum, people are GOING to complain, like you just did. what? u just want people to think “oh this game is really buggy but im ot gonna say anything about it”? if thats what everytone did the game woud have made little to no proggress at all. this is a forum, get over it

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#65

Well if we play that game.
A player cant expect to “own the rights of the game” for purchasing all DLC’s, there are more who have bought all/more than one of the dlc’s.

Divide that among all players who bought early access, you would still only “own” a very small “slice of the cake”

#66

Um
 nobody is talking about owning rights to this game.

#67

the car example i replied to did.

He bought a car and expects it to work the way it should be.

#68

Okay but real talk, the forums are filled with whiny cry babies and at the same time the game does have flaws.

Most mmos have bugs that get fixed over time. And I think IMC is actually a pretty good company. Give them time. This is their first time self publishing and they’re working on getting the servers out and f2p first then they’re going to work on the bugs. Just chill out.

However I do think it’s also good to complain when it’s needed. It’s always a good idea to let the company know what’s up, but there comes a breaking point when all you guys do is blow everything out of proportion and do nothing but cry and whine over some things that just flat out don’t matter. When there is something that actually needs to be complained about, they’re never going to listen and think its just the same old over-dramatic cries they’ve always seen.

People saying don’t like complaints don’t come to the forums. How about if you don’t like the game, stop playing it. You people leaving bad reviews and continuing to play the game are the ones that actually need to leave. Constructive criticism is always fine but when you do things like trying to sabotage the game by reporting it on Steam, then yeah I’m going to agree this community is the issue, filled with entitled spoiled brats that need to grow up and stop causing more issues so IMC can actually focus on the real ones.

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#69

Entitlement or autism or whatever you want to call it, if it involves products or services there will always be complaints. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

#70

some of the responses i just read typical asshat children, i agree with you way too many entitled childish asshats complaining over nothing i’m a paying player and support imc they have been doing a much better job at this than some other gaming companies i have played games of and they are way more responsive which is only a good thing but for those selfish entitled children its never enough i think imc should start banning people on the forum and ingame who complain and don’t offer anything constructive to help with whatever issue it may be. but anyway yes i totally agree with you forexlazer

even playing without premium when i first started there was NO game changing thing that premium gave me people are just special in the head i swear.

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#71

Okay, consider me proven wrong. This just means that you dont care what they crap out, because they worked on it, and you work too, but see there is the main issue between gamers and those who “work” on them: The gamers wont care a damn how much you worked on something if in the end its crap.
I too can sympathize with anyone who spends X or even XY hours daily on work and gets only crap for it, but sadly this does not change anything about the product.
Its as simple as that.

Just to point out the elephant in the room: Take a look at wow has become and try to focus on the simple fact that players have been doing this since the dawn of the internet.
Asking for 90% of the game experience to be skipped because im lazy is however slightly different from asking 90% of the game experience to be ■■■■■■■ FIXED because its either flat out broken or is littered with design choices that would make even a millennial cringe who has never seen games with a spine to begin with.

And that right there shows a lot of integrity on your side bro.

  1. Give me money

  2. You didnt buy anything

  3. In Forex’s opinion you dont even have the right to criticize because it seems he believes that this is a charity service where you hand in money to the devs and then shut the **** up.

  4. Considering that 80% of messages in the game are spam and we are literally swimming in gold sellers
 your attempt at sarcasm seems retarded


  5. This has to be the single most mentally handicapped sentence i have seen in quite a while
 i just
 seriously cant even reply directly to it because its fundamentally delusional.

  6. Maybe once i have seen that he is doing it with water instead of gasoline. At this point i cant even tell whether gold sellers are just a convenient excuse to cap everything and then offer tokens to mitigate SOME of the restrictions, or genuinely something they want to eradicate.

I can try but its kinda tiresome and counterproductive to go through all the qualities and features of a white knight, instead of simply saying white knight. If you know what i mean.
Its like a request for others to stop referring to you as a human being and use instead the description of bipedal carbon based life form widely referred to as homo sapiens inside kingdom animalia.
p.s.: Even if i were to do a lengthy description, it would still discredit him, because what he wrote holds no positive credit
 except maybe for the sentiment itself that the devs should not get depressed because we dont hate the game.

#72

It should be common knowledge that the majority of players are actually playing the game rather than posting on forums
 ignore the pointless complainers listen to the suggestions instead. C: Enjoy the game everyone!

#73

Games need people to complain it validates the issues it might be odd saying this but to push the notion of a problem you should complain even if its complaining about complainers it might seem hypocritical but you identify a lot of things by this notion.

First of all a dissatisfaction complaint can guide issues to the dev team with more visibility then simply telling people to stop complaining now I can agree with the OP’s some people do need to understand they are comparing there lack of experience in programing balance compared to the dev team who has most likely been doing this for years so what they should be mentioning an view of dissatisfaction and providing an optional of change but try to steer clear of hostage mentality being “change this or I’m leaving the game and telling everyone your game sucks so you loose money.”

Second to complain is to show there is a problem for instance if you work in a building site and you believe the safety of the staff is not up to scratch challenge it so something can be done for the safety of you and other staff members because if you don’t nothing will be done about it and there is a chance someone could get hurt just because you stayed quite.

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#74

I didn’t expect this thread to be revived but it’s still relevant.

I agree. The issue is when there isn’t balance. Too much useless complaining by itself lessens the experience, while not enough criticism facilitates complacency with problems. No one should be on one side of the overall debate. The, “I hate it” or “I love it,” people need to realise that IMC makes positive, and negative changes to ToS, and instead of blindly attacking or defending the changes, they need to analyse each aspect individually and draw conclusions from that.

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#75

Apparently
most people who posted here already quit 
sad factđŸ˜„

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#76

Even OP has quit lulz

#77

even if they have already quit that means there is a chance they will come back because they see relevance in coming back

#78

They come back to Tree of Forums at most. Cause the current drama is better than any TV show.

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#79

What u see op is whatever happens when a forum has no mods.

We get the same 12 yo making a dozen different threads to complain.

#80

How do you enjoy the game when you’re constantly crashing in TBL, not able to complete quests? That’s pretty all there is to do in the game and the game won’t allow you to do it. Derp.