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Since Ranger3 is wack. Whats the iToS version "OP PVE AOE DPS" archer build?

Class and Rank Archer
#68

You don’t even understand what’s being explained to you.

English isn’t my native language either but would you seriously say that language barrier is becoming a problem to understand simple equations?

You see, the problem here is you are literally MISLEADING people with wrong information. You are saying that Lv15 Barrage is good when in fact it isn’t. In-case you didn’t know, we are PROPERLY using the damage formula. We just tend to be smart by ignoring the other details/factors/modifiers because most of them stack multiplicatively which means it wouldn’t matter. For example, if you compare Lv5 Barrage vs Lv15 Barrage w Lv0 Attributes and with lv100 Attributes, we would literally still end up with the same percentages.

I won’t say I’m not being arrogant but YOU are the one being pretentious here by acting like you understand what’s being explained to you when in fact, you understood literally NOTHING.

I’m pissed off because I seriously don’t know how you can be so thick and stubborn.

If you can’t follow a discussion, be honest. Don’t pretend. It’s that simple.

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#69

Never said that. I do think Im lacking a lot in english grammar and thats it. And Im not pretending anything, Im just asking about a complete comparison.

I cant agree with that.

It is better, no matter if it is 5% or 20%. Nice to know, them show to us, ignorants and simple toons low IQ ppl your all mighty math, Big Dream.

I see.

I used this example before but it was a misleading from other info, I got it.

Good to know.

Arrongant, as allways.

#70

I dunno why you are even helping these scrubs dawg…
I’ve been saying it already r3 is trash; there are just so many that went r3 f3 because they saw some cookie cutter booolshiett on tosbase and now they want to defend their less optimal builds.
I tested through 4 archer rerolls; we know what’s up.

#71

OMG …

Still wanting complete comparison when I already said that most factors/multipliers on the full damage formula stacks multiplicatively creating absolutely ZERO difference if we’re talking in percentages. How many times I repeated this? And he still doesn’t get it.

So he is still advertising Ranger C3 as a good class even if it might only give a 5% or 20% damage increase while sacrificing 2 ranks in the process.

Literally beyond help.

#72

The level 5-15 damage difference isn’t really relevent, because of how the game is designed but sure.
At the most basic level
Level 5 Barrage is (Your physical attack + 250 per arrow)
Level 15 Barrage is (your Physical attack + 543 per arrow)

Now the difference between 543 and 250 is that 543 2.17x more then 250.
543-250 = 293.
293/250 = 1.17.
1.17x100 = 117% which is 2.17x.

That might seem substantial but as you noticed its “Your physical attack” + the skill damage.

If you had 0 physical attack then yes Barrage level 15 is 2.17x stronger then level 5 barrage.

However you do have physical attack.
If you have 1000 physical attack then lets plug 1000 into the numbers we had before
Level 5 barrage is your physical attack (1000) + 250 per arrow. Thats 1250.

Level 15 barrage is your physical attack (1000) + 543 per arrow. Thats 1543.

1543-1250 = 293.
293/1250 = 0.234.
0.234x 100 = 23.4%. which is 1.234x.

So as you can see the greater your physical attack, the less the difference between Barrage 5 and Barrage level 15.

Now you have to decide if a 23% stronger barrage (when you have 1000 physical attack) is worth the damage skills or buffs you can get from taking other classes.
Barrage has an 18s cooldown.
While you make Barrage stronger by 23%, have you considered what you’re doing during the 18 seconds when you cannot use Barrage?

Don’t be confused. 23% more damage is a lot, but it’s 23% more damage to Barrage and not all of your skills.

Secondly we saw that going from 0 physical attack to 1000, reduced the difference between level 5 and level 15 barrage from 2.17x to 1.234x.
You can have more then 1000 physical attack and as the game goes on you will get even more physical attack, which will make level 15 Barrage even less significant.

Basically what the posters in here are saying is that, their character gets more damage by trading the extra 293 damage per Arrow of level 15 Barrage, for brand new attacks or buffs.

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#73


He will just call you a hater LOL

#74

I got it, thanks for your post, polite and respectful.

I do agree you gain more dps from going to archer c2 and scout1 c1, but you lose spiral arrow and bounce shot, (bounce is “meh” I know), and, really, I dont have time to use a lot of skills on my rotation, there is not enough time for it.

Mult shot lvl 10 is useless in my rotation, take too much time, lags hurts it a lot. You can even miss it like… a lot. Even the almighty Dream in his scout c3 video build misses it on the boss, so I will miss it too, for sure. :joy:

Flare shot lvl 5 in just too bad. That cd x duration and skill damage is too poor.

Now Swift Step +25% crt rate is just too good, here I 100% agree with you.

I can go on in this comparison but my opinion is this:

Im not gaining too much going for ranger c3 but Im losing swift step buff.

Ranger c3 fits better in my playstyle. Going for ranger c1 leaves you with unwanted skill points. You just need barrage and steady aim at circle one. So 5 useless points.

Same for archer c2, You need lvl 1 oblique shot, lvl 10 mult shot, lvl 9 swift step and… thats it.

hugs.

why? :joy:

Im fine with my ranger c3.

#75

Oh god my sides. If you actually understood it, his explanation is actually more complex than mine yet you weren’t able to understand my explanation which even Lyralei said that he/she can’t ELI5 explain it anymore than mine.

Obviously I was trying to predict where the boss will stop after rolling but instead got stuck on some invisible obstacle. Something you would have never guessed seeing how dumb you are to not be able to understand even highschool math.

#76

:joy::joy:

I just llollledddd

rofl.

Take it easy, its just a game. Everyone faills sometimes.

#77

You know what’s funnier? A self-proclaimed lawyer who can’t understand highschool math.

#78

yeah rigth, tell me more about it.

:joy:

#80

Ok,

We’ve come too far.

As I said in my pm to you:

It is just a game forum man, I dont take it so serious.

Also, FLOKI comes from a character in the vikings series, as you can see here:

https://www.google.com.br/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=character+floki

He plays around with ppl, just it.

But if you guys care so much, I will stop this.

Also, @Dream Im pretty unhappy with this mutual offenses.

You even did a special thanks to me in your guide

"3D. SPECIAL THANKS
Here I will list a few notables who have contributed to some parts of the guide.

FLoki - STR’s extreme scaling."

I dont know how we came to this point, but Im sorry if I was disrespectful and I will not do this again.

As I always say,

hugs.

#81

It’s fine. I’m easy to talk to.

I do admit that I went overboard there and was the first to say offensive stuff.

#82

i do think ranger3 sacrifice too much potential to learn other job instead.

yeah ranger3 have spiral arrow and bounce shot, and gives better aoe rotation.

but you could take A1>R1>A2>Scout1 for more utility in end-game
or you can take A1>QS3 just for autoattacking (this scales to late game, but… single target)
A1>R3 just gives you aoe barrage (that scales badly in late game) and more skill rotation in end game

it just up to your choices. who knows that R3 Going to be buffed in several years down the patches?

who knows if A2 / Scout1 gonna be nerfed next patch?

enjoy the game. accept that barrage level 15 is an awful scaling skill. thats a fact. but in exchange you have more skill rotation compared to a utility A2>Scout1… (which barely have any aoe, unless u pick late-game aoe jobs)

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#83

I’m about to get jealous but then I also so my name :slight_smile:

hugs guys! you are my favorite!

Regarding Topic:

IMO, as someone who have R3 character as my first char and I love him as he made me rich and farmed almost 80M-ish worth items +$300 RMT :stuck_out_tongue: , so a lot of respect with this guy. :smiley:

Getting R3 is not the best to spend 2 additional ranks, but its not also the worst. It is just so-so, but it doesn’t really matter if you will get F3 for succeeding ranks. So it really depends on your playstyle. I am personally rerolling since I didn’t take the F3 path, hence making my first character a reserve for whatever Class8 Ranks offer.

I’m just hoping that STEADY AIM will be buffed as same as in KTOS which is +45% damage with 15secs duration. Well if we have this kind of buff, I think everyone will be rolling for R3.

Peace out!

#84

Steady Aim is nerfed in KToS now as well, so don’t get your hopes up for a buff.

#86

Does this mean Steady Aim in kTOS and iTOS are the same now?

#87

I’ve seen ktos’s steady aim duration at 10s in videos for well over a month now, but the damage boost even on more recent videos appears to be unchanged.

#88

The intellectual arguments here makes me want to kill my R3 already.

#89

I am currently rolling for Archer 1 ranger 1 Sapper 2 Wugushi 3 (rerolled another archer, why the hell i just dont go and play a wiz already)