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Schwarzer Reiter : Quarrel C3 or Ranger C3

Class and Rank Archer
#1

I want to make a Schwarzer Reiter build for mostly PvE (maybe PvP if a friend drags me over to play) and read the forums extensively for information (playing the class just because it looked fun, Fun factor > DPS). From what I’ve seen, players like to recommend:

Archer C2 > Ranger C3 > Schwarzer Reiter C2
or
Archer C2 > Quarrel Shooter C3 > Schwarzer Reiter C2

(Taking STR:CON:DEX 3:1:2)

… and in forums, I see quite a bit of mixed opinion about these two choices and, while I favor Rangers, I hate to see that my build will not be as optimal as when taking Quarrel shooter C3 for end-game content given that I am hell bent on using Schwarzer Reiter, especially since a lot of players are saying Ranger C3 is not worth taking at all. However, recently I read around and saw Retreat Shot and Running shot, two skills I read that are often used together, will not work together anymore, and that presents a whole new question on the Quarrel Shooter VS Ranger debate for Schwarzer Reiter.

With that, I want to ask any experienced players can give some insight which path should I go that is optimal in damage and is best used for PvE given I will take Schwarzer Reiter no matter what?

#2

go QS if you want to be more auto attack based and A1> ranger 3 > rogue 1 > SR 2 for more ability based and more crit

#3

i am running Schwarzer Reiter build with Ranger, thinking Archer >Ranger C3>Archer C2/Rouge>Schwarzer Reiter C2

if i go with Rouge, the only skill usable in Schwarzer Reiter would be Sneak Attack, if i go with Archer C2, only Swift Step and Multi Shot worth investing for Archer C2
or may be Fletcher can fit into the build, due to skill and mounting compatibility and higher damage

what would you suggest? It seem Schwarzer Reiter have limited alot of skill from build due to mounting

#4

rogue all the way to buff all the skills u get from SR and ranger through the high crit, but i heard they nerfed SR in ktos tho.

#5

sorry, i dont get how Rouge would buff Schwarzer Reiter skill?
i m very new to archer class

#6

Sneaky Hit and Feint(Rogue’s Circle 1 skill) + Barrage combo.

#7

i have both. Ranger2A2->SR and QS3->SR
And the QS is soo much better. I rerolled at lvl 206 to QS because ranger fking sucks.

#8

Hi @Krsss,

Seeing that you played both, can you describe in detail why QS is so much better (like if Ranger skills fall off endgame etc)? It’s hard to find information on Schwarzer Reiter sadly.

I had a feeling QS might be better late game as Archers may get better AOE skills (Cannoneer etc) and Ranger skills (except for Steady Aim) may / will not be used, making QS with Running shot more relevant for late game. Not sure though as I never played archers far enough to experience that.

#9

Wouldnt Feint could only be use unmount?

#10

go ranger, Running shot and retreat shot dont connect anymore in recent kTOS patch

#11

Quarrel shooter has more synergy than ranger
even with the nerf on kTOS, qs will still outclass ranger in synergy with SR
and QS is better for pvp also

#12

From what I read,

Ranger has 20% increase in damage from Steady Aim and has potential for Barrage + Feint (assuming I have space to put Rogue in for Rank 8). I don’t know how good Bounce shot and Spiral arrow is but from what I’ve seen on forums, they seem good.

Quarrel shooters have Running shot I can use if my skills are on cooldown, Scatter Caltrops for CC and Rapid Fire, especially the attribute Rapid Fire: Critical Chance.
(There’s a lack of information for me to know what Stone Picking and Stone Shot is good for, and I never used Deploy Pavise before)

Did I miss anything? Anyone with experience in these classes can help me weigh out which one is better?

@lbasquiet What synergy does Quarrel shooter have over ranger, if I may ask? (Sorry I’m a newb)

#13

You can aggro all mobs with Deploy Pasive/Scatter caltrops, then use retreat shot
also quarrel shooter is a mobility class, so it’s synergy with sr since you get +4 movement speed while mounted, your kiting get better
with ranger, you need to stay close to mobs to maximize your damage output(barrage), and you don’t wanna to get any closer to mobs as an archer

#14

@lbasquiet

Interesting, since Quarrel Shooters aren’t really the best of AOE archers (or so I read), I plan to take a class more focused on AOE in future (Rank 8 etc, like Cannoneer) and I plan to build to that. I initially put a stat ratio of STR:DEX:CON of 3:2:1, do I need to change that up for Quarrel Shooter, especially with what I plan to do?

#15

if you plan to go archer c2 into qs c3 sr c2
that stat ratio is fine

#16

@lbasquiet

With that in mind, will this build do?

  • Placed some points in Kneeling shot for moments where party stays in place and waits for mobs to come. (If its unneeded, I’ll change up the points to 8/10 Full Draw and 1 in Oblique Shot and Heavy Shot respectively)
  • Dropped Stone Picking and Stone Shot since I feel like it would be useless on a SR build.
  • I have 4 points on SR C2 that I have not allocated, not sure which skill to put those points in.
#17

You get stone shot for pvp purpose, since it has a chance to stun the enemy and you can spam it
you can leave full draw to 7/10, no more further points because at 7/10 it’s an instant cast
as for sr, i don’t recommend getting limacon neither wild shot
you should prioritize concentrated fire/retreat shot

#18

@lbasquiet

So I’ll take out some points in Deploy Pavise to put into Stone Picking and Stone Shot, but how many points is worth putting into these two skills?

#19

1 or 3 points in stone picking
stone shot it’s up to you
at level 1, the stun duration is 4 seconds

#20

I’ll probably take 3 for Stone Picking and 1 for Stone shot then, thanks for the help! @lbasquiet

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