@forgamin_dd
You can’t use any skill during Long Stride’s animation.
So I got this question, and asked if it would be fine to post it on this thread, as I feel it would help anyone who is wondering about this too:
@xechidna
Short answer:
Frenzy isn’t that good considering that you need to get up to Rank 6 to get a Hoplite C2->Barbarian C2 build, and at that point you have much better options available to you. Even then, you can only get C3 of either of them (to get the most of it), and at that point you are already sacrificing your Rank 7 choice, and if you try to get C3 for both, then you will also sacrifice your Rank 8 class.
In the end you sacrifice A LOT and end up losing value in your build anyways. It is terrible for damage output.
Long answer:
It is generally bad to mix multiple low rank classes in one build. Even though in theory they might seem to have good synergy, in practice it is not the case.
Let’s start by breaking the build down by parts:
Goal: Auto-attack based, damage oriented build.
Classes: Swordsman->Peltasta-> Hoplite C2/C3 + Barbarian C2/C3
Proposition: Barbarian provides Frenzy, which increases Physical Attack by stacking buff counts when using auto-attacks. Hoplite is a great auto-attacking class, so it could benefit from using Frenzy, plus the Barbarian skills are universal and can be used with a spear, so that is a great bonus.
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Hoplite:
- Great auto-attacking class due to the efficiency of it’s build by using Finestra.
- Even though the efficiency of this class starts at C2, it maximizes at C3.
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Barbarian:
- Frenzy is available from C2, with 10 stacks it gives up to +150 Attack for 40 seconds and a 90 seconds cool-down (44.4% up-time)
- Frenzy at C3 increases to 20 stacks, giving up to +400 Attack for 50 seconds and a 90 seconds cool-down (55.5% up-time).
Analysis:
Ok, the first thing that comes to mind is the obvious down-time that Frenzy has, and an auto-attacking build prides itself on having no down-time, so it is already looking a little bit shaky. But ok, let’s assume that we could use Frenzy to get a nice boost to Attack to use during certain scenarios (bosses for example).
With this, let’s look at the possible build paths:
- Swordsman->Peltasta->Hoplite C2->Barbarian C3
- Swordsman->Peltasta->Hoplite C3->Barbarian C2
- Swordsman->Peltasta->Hoplite C2->Barbarian C2->Anything
This is as far as it goes (Rank 7), you could get C3 for both of them at Rank 8, that way you get maximum efficiency from Hoplite and max level Frenzy from Barbarian.
Frenzy at level 5 only gives you up to +150 Attack, which to be honest is nothing at Rank 6+. While Frenzy at level 10 gives you up to +400 Attack, which is nice but consider this:
At Rank 6 you could get either:
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Corsair C2: Double Weapon Assault will help an auto-attacking build a lot more than Frenzy will and it has a 44 seconds duration with 52 seconds cool-down (84.6% up-time), already matching and surpassing Frenzy on that aspect. Sure, DWA uses 2 stamina per hit but using pills you can use it for a very long time, and even then your DPS output further increases by using Hexen Dropper.
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Doppelsoeldner: Cyclone just destroys the competition when it comes to dealing damage, so the proposed build already lost. But since we are only talking about auto-attacks then let’s be fair. Deeds of Valor increases Attack by up to +50% for 35 seconds with a 43 seconds cool-down (81.3% up-time), and by using the efficiency of a Hoplite C3 build, that is gonna be way more +Attack than 20 stacks of level 10 Frenzy. Plus, Deeds of Valor also keeps on scaling, as you get better equipment and more stats.
So on either case, Frenzy gets heavily outclassed by the competition.
One could argue about the benefits of the rest of the Barbarian kit, but the main reason to mix those two classes in the first place was for the auto-attacks. Since that part failed, the build will already never be as good as any of the efficient options out there.
It is not even top 5 in best auto-attacking builds.
In the end and in my opinion:
Tree of Savior is not built to mix low rank classes (for the Swordsman tree, other trees might be more flexible, like Wizard). To get an efficient build always move forward and never look back.