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Need opinions on my planned swordie build

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#1

ive been mulling over swordie builds for playing in krOBT.
im aiming for ease in PVE
what do you guys think?
Peltasta C1> Highlander C2 > Hoplite C3

the Highlander skills will cover Hops weakness in having no spam filler for normal grinding (mostly skyliner), thrust is too weak and slow, while the the Hoplite part will let you take down tough monsters with ease, Peltasta is there because its Peltasta lol.

it uses only R2 and R3 classes so it could be quite weak in terms of base damages, but i like the idea of combining the huge crit rate from finestra with skyliner spam, could also adjust the build for pure offence and go C3 High + C3 Hop or take out pelt C1 and go with doppel or dragoon last.

i feel like this build will play like a monk spaming double punch but not having heal, you can also level quite fast with 2handers and you can spec into more CON or STR because finestra has alot of your crit rate covered

EDIT:
i played to C2 highlander, and i must say its ridiculously strong relative to other classes atm, (i didnt go pelt since there is no grinding during the early levels)
i hope swordies dont get nerfed and other classes get buffed

during my play time ive done some thinking, i can revise my build to go:
Highlander C2 > Hop C3 > Dragoon/Cata
this is for pure offense, being able to wield 2 hand spears with the huge crit buff and using skyliner, this combo seems like it will put out huge amounts of damage
or
Highlander C2 > Hop C3 > Doppel
another offense based build, deeds of valor + cyclone using 1hand spear + dagger this seems like it will go even or out dps the above build, but deeds of valor doesn’t have 100% uptime
or
Highlander C2 > Hop C2 > Peltasta C1 > Dragoon/Cata(or Doppel)
still offensively focused, but picking up pelt C1 for utility in parties/grinding, 50 less crit rate and a short duration finestra for taunt.

what do you guys think?

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#2

For swordsman, don’t let 0 seconds cd on Thrust fool you. It is a bad skill with slow animation. You better get Bash and take at least 1 level of Pain Barrier.
For peltasta, take 1 level of Guardian and take its evasion attribute to max level.
For hoplite, take 1 level of Spear Lunge. That skill is VERY important.

#3

oh yea i forgot about spear lunge lol
and yea i should take bash instead lol, i did mention that thrust is slow and weak
guardian for evasion seems counter intutive though, since your losing eva with finnestra and your not gonna get much dex, i guess you can cover it all back with enough evasion gear though.

thanks for the advice :smiley:

#4

For Guardian, you will only use it at PvP. So, you will turn off that Finestra : Splash attribute to prevent double evasion penalty. At level 15, Finestra only decreases your evasion by 39 which is still low and doesn’t affect much. :grin:

Edit : Oh, I just read that you only want to focus on PvE. Then you can leave Guardian.

#5

yea i was wondering how i would fit in guardian lol, if i take it ill be torn between leather or cloth

im gonna roll with cloth armor so i can somewhat cover the SP cost for spamming skyliner. dont know how that will work over getting plate though. might go for 50/50 or 1 cloth the rest into plate.

#6

Don’t be fooled by Spear Lunge, the debuff isn’t 100%

#7

imo its still worth getting just 1 point into, your mostly gonna use it to boost your damage with pierce and stabbing anyway, and i think the bonus % damage is more benificial that the extra flat damage you get from 1 extra lvl of stabbing

#8

That’s the reason why we only need it only at level 1. It also has overheat.

#9

The debuff already has a low proccing rate, when used against bosses, it’s even lower, possibly within the 10% area.

Even then, you’ll have a short of amount of time to take advantage of the debuff, skill animation taken into consideration, you’ve already got less than 6 seconds, not only that but with the supposedly new boss AI, you’re likely to be knocked back, meaning less time to take advantage of it.

One thing I don’t know is if the debuff stacks in both pierce vulnerability and time.

Personally and currently, the amount of negatives with Spear Lunge certainly outweighs the positives, by all means take level one for whatever reason, it’s simply logically not appealing.

If the debuff procd 100% no matter what, that positive alone would be enough to outweigh the negatives.

#10

hmm, i think 6 seconds is plenty of time to get a quick cast of pierce in, stabbing is mainly used at opportune moments anyway eg. after a boss uses a big attack

this build wont take full advantage of the buff anyway, since skyliner will be the main dps and its slash damage,

spear thrust is purely for increasing pierces damage, and stabbing if you use it at the right time.

#11

Hoplite need to max pain barrier. Without it bosses will interrupt your stabbing.

#12

1 point in pain barrier is enough to cover the duration of stabbing.

#13

You underestimate worth of immunity for a lot of kb attacks.

And you will not use only stabbing on a boss.
I did like

  1. spear lunge
  2. worked? then stabbing, otherwise pierce
  3. spear lunge
  4. skill unsused in step 2

And you don’t want to get a kb right after successful spear lunge.

#14

An extra 4 to 5 seconds isn’t much. Plus we talking about stabbing here not all the skills.

Want to avoid knockbacks while pain barrier is on cooldown? Dodge and stop attacking recklessly.

#15

hmm i guess bash will become obsolete later on

a couple of pts into pain barrier would be more useful later down the line
thnx guys

#16

I’d take bash lv3 just to get kb attribute.

#17

There are a couple of things I want to suggest:

  • Don’t go Highlander + Hoplite. Highlander skills rely on weapon attack a lot, and hoplite weapon attack is just … sad. Yes I did go down that path before. Cartar stroke deal half the damage of stabbing, and charge longer. Wagon wheel is ridiculously weak besides knocking. The only up side is the 0cd sky liner, which hit … 1 target
  • Don’t go hoplite on later rank. If you want a hoplite, better pick it early, because leveling as hoplite is also very sad. Slow and painful at first, then gradually get better.

About spear lunge, the debuff works around 75% of the time for me, even on bosses so you can count on it, don’t worry. I would also take 1 throwing spear in case you want to jump into PvP

#18

hmm
i could just level with a 2hander lol, till hop C2 when i get 100% uptime on finestra
pierce and stabbing can be used with a 2 hander so hop is still worth it for doing burst damage and getting piercing attacks
can also grab some aoe attack ratio if i have problems mobbing with skyliner and i can get some for free with finestra

at-least thats what im planning
im not gonna roll with a spear till much later, since, yea their damage is pretty bad until your rolling with the huge crit buff from finestra

#19

This guide will help you a lot

#20

read it all, some time ago lol

but its based on iCBT and the level cap of 200
still very good information though, thanks for linking it, i lost the thread but i kept up with another guide by cathexis playing hoplite C3 > doppel