Removing Revenge Sevenfold will greatly improve the balance in pvp

[neith720]

Damn you are getting annoying lol

That’s how it feels for archers, more than 1 minute of total immunity to all of your skills. >.<

I see, hunter and its godlike CC, fletcher can still one shot, wugushi stills poisons, Falconer can cc + increased attack range, full draw pushes them back (which is a pretty nice skill IMO) and even if you don’t want to, rogue is an archer. I can still listing other skills but there isn’t any point, you can check tosbase if you need it aswell.

Nope. I’m a SR myself, you can only take down MH this easy if match making already gave you the win at start (and not even always). And even if you use AoE skills you can encounter the R7X on pets (which is another separate problem).

Give you the win at the start means having ausrine? IIRC correctly things like limacon or rapid fire takes out MH pretty fast, the problem is that you get exposed, not a problem anymore with ausrine. That’s what I have noticed at least, you should be really bad if being a SR which is supposed the be the fastest and AoE dealer of archer class (don’t know about mergen or hacka tho, I’m 0 interested).

MF AoE restriction doesn’t apply well on PvP unless you’re using MF on something such as on top of 15 caltrops because of random targets. Any good kino do work with it. lol And it’s pretty true, anything can lower Ausrine duration. That’s why it’s less broken than Missile Hole (archer-wise).

Being honest, sorry, I didn’t really get the other points in the next 2 paragraphs but QS can’t CC someone so freely till the end because we’re talking about teams, while you’re hitting 1 1 1 1 with Stone Shot someone will simply kill you.

Dafuq, everybody and their mother brings their pet to PvP for things like revenged or MF lmao. Playing a kino since TBL released, if you stalked my profile as the others you can check some pictures and I’m pretty high in rankings. It’s okay, if you say that aoe restriction doesn’t apply well it may be that even playing pvp daily I haven’t noticed it lol

QS stone shot duration at level 15 is 10 secs, basically a sleep without the necessity of casting anything, if that isn’t cc someone freely I don’t really know what it is, wow it’s even a point and click.

I agree. Cata is too strong (kinda unbalanced IMHO),

I won’t continue reading the whole paragraph, team fights are different in every match so supposing one is a waste of time, but new statement there tho, catas are OP aswell, besides archers (and that’s your point of view) could you tell me something else being weak or balanced?

Actually I tested it more than 5 times, Gohei does not removes Missile Hole

Don’t own a miko and can’t say anything about that, but gohei should dispell everything. If that’s the case it’s a bug and not a missile hole feature, blame imc for that lol

Pears is considered physical melee attack

My point is that inquisitor has malleus and pearls as a really OP skills (haven’t payed much attention to God smash and that roulette tbh), both destroys a sage and not only wizards to be honest, if inquisitor are top in PvP is for something. Even a good tao destroys (okey it may be expensive but that’s not the point). I don’t know about archer class, already told you I’m 0 interested in hacka or mergen, but swordy is kinda op aswell, anything to consider as potential danger on enchanter and safe offers MH.
WOW guys chill a bit, rank 8 brought like 5 OP classes (are archers op aswell?) and 1 op skill on the whole wizard “new” content. Let’s lose our head for that unique skill, the others have nothing to do against, just lol.

I keep crying about a buff that completely negates all archers skills from any circle.

Nope.

Missile Hole wins by far compared to any other (archer-wise).

And nope.

but it is totally broken to hit 1 for 16 hits and for 1 minute.

You should really check inquisitor or murmillo, is bad to hit 1 for 16 hits but isn’t bad to one shot form afar or being full con to a class that even a kino can’t CC.

I do consider that Missile Hole is a rank 8 skill that requires only one circle for entire 1 minute of complete immunity against archers while Ausrine requires entire 3 circles of a class.

Still, a rank 5 skill nullifying every single damage for the whole team without the possibility to get rid off (okey now we have gohei and maybe PD’s but as said, facing directly an OP class with ausrine may be a suicide so I bet you won’t unless you have ausrine for yourself).

Missile Hole even prevents knockback from Heavy Shot

Don’t know about heavy shot but isn’t prevented from stone bullet, which also stuns for 10 secs if maximum level. Once again, if skill isn’t working as they should isn’t another skill bug involved.

Hunter: Not missile.Rogue: Backstab?Falconer: CC/Falcon damage?QS: Stone Shot vs Prophecy?

How are the teams you play in TBL usually?

So you keep saying that a single skill denies the whole class but keep replying that these classes aren’t true archers or what? Dafuq lol

Differences:1. Can’t be removed by Lv1. buff removal (such as Gohei). It really can’t. lol2. Duration way longer.3. Can be renewed anytime.4. No downside such as carving statue and needing to walk around it.5. No target limit (Ausrine have charges).

1. It should, as said isn’t missile hole problem if gohei is bugged lol
   2 . duration longer (not much if Ausrine is taken twice) which can be rid of by hitting.
2. It definitely can’t, no need to explain how this skill works again.
3. Yea a magic doesn’t need a carve, damn wiz op, we should ask for a totem or something like this huh?
4. It does have charges but rebuffing means that the whole team + someone else still have full invincibility, there isn’t much sense in that point lol

How’s your physical attack? QS then what is the rest of the build? Running Shot with Full Dex on non-high-transcendence should hit from 1 to 500 max on PvP geared players.

Full Draw debuff doesn’t apply when enemy have Missile Hole and sometimes the knockback doesn’t work as well (random).

Isn’t my pvp character so I don’t know much about damages to be honest, still 500 damage is way too low for people who tend to have over 3k mdef in order to face the current meta. Once again, if doesn’t work well isn’t missile gold’s bug lmao, in my case it always worked but as you can’t really counter my experience playing kino I can’t say anything about your archer I guess.

Let’s take this as general. The fact that people are able to deal with Missile Hole doesn’t excludes the fact that Missile Hole is unbalanced.

Read again my first post, I didn’t say is unbalanced, I said that between Ausrine and revenged, this one is the balanced one among the others. Even suggested some change to improve it, but you keep repeating yourself again and again.

But you’re right, it’s impossible to argue with a Sage that the only skill he relies on his class is unbalanced and broken, lol.

Replying someone who doesn’t event get sarcasm, just as pointed before I never said missile hole is balanced, but you are narrow minded and want to emphasize that you are the one having the reason here. Just proving that you are not, but you won’t accept it, still blind tho.

Backstab is not missile. Rogue being able to do melee attacks doesn’t make Missile Hole balanced. Maybe you might as well talk about Hackapell instead as Missile Hole counter? lol

Told ya I don’t know about hacka or mergen, I listed rogue as one class of archer branch, which looks like you refuse to include because is melee based lol.

TL;DR: You’re a sage and think that melee and DoT attacks from archers makes Missile Hole balanced and that it can be removed from dispelling skills while it can’t. But the entire point of Archer class is Missile skills, not DoT, not Melee, even tho some circles add these options

TL:DR: and really looks like you don’t read lol, I’m also a diev and saying that Ausrine is way more op than everything else. The point of having different classes is being able of having skills which offers dots and other sources of damage, not only ranged auto attacks. Actually I bet there isn’t a single archer class in any rpg that is based unique in autos, but you deny it, up to you.

And now for real, if you want to think that missile hole is the OP skill that nullifies everything and blablabla go on, I don’t see a point in discussing anything with anyone who refuses to read (maybe forget Idk) or just don’t want to see the point, keep arguing with others, this is senseless and for you anything won’t change.

Just remember tho, even if we cried about Ausrine ( a lot of people did) nothing changed, good luck crying, hope koreans read your statements and think about it

[Seiran]

Keeping my answer short:
It really, really, feels like nothing unless you play every day as an archer. I played Kino myself and Missile Hole is something you can totally ignore on non-archer. Now, if I compare my experience with Ausrine and Revenge both on Kino and Archers to how hard it is to deal with Missile Hole alone as Archer, it is more op than anything else.

In a summary: In the same way you feel that Pears is hard to deal for you. We feel that Missile Hole is hard to deal for us. The difference is that Pears have ways to counter, Missile Hole does not.

I don’t see a point in discussing anything with anyone who refuses to read (maybe forget Idk) or just don’t want to see the point, keep arguing with others, this is senseless and for you anything won’t change.

Can I borrow your words ^?

On Gohei, wrong. It dispells Lv.1 buffs, not Lv.2 or higher. Missile Hole is Lv.3, not a bug:

And again:

2 . duration longer (not much if Ausrine is taken twice) which can be rid of by hitting.

100 seconds (Missile Hole single cast) vs 40 seconds (Ausrine taken twice). Still way more than 2 (or even 3) Ausrine in a row.

Read again my first post, I didn’t say is unbalanced, I said that between Ausrine and revenged, this one is the balanced one among the others. Even suggested some change to improve it, but you keep repeating yourself again and again.

Why read since I never posted about you saying it’s unbalanced. I just said even if you get a solution the skill is still unbalanced, not a fact of “you can’t deal with it, get good”. ‘-’

That’s what I have noticed at least, you should be really bad if being a SR which is supposed the be the fastest and AoE dealer of archer class (don’t know about mergen or hacka tho, I’m 0 interested).

I’ve already said enough as well every archer out there that it isn’t simple top get rid of Missile Hole. You have alternative attacks on some circles but they are far from a “solution” for numerous reasons.

But if you insist do my Heaven Piercer title as top 1 archer during TBL event says anything? ‘-’

But yeah, borrowing your words again, no point in discussing with you ^^

P.S.: FYI, Retreat Shot (confirmed since rank 6 and 7 caps) and Marching Fire (needs to confirm) both deals around 32 or 33 hits which means around 3 hits per second. Apply 16 hits on a 3 hits per second base, you need more than 5 seconds of AoE on a target to remove its Missile Hole. Limacon depends on Quicken for faster hits, you basically can go up to 2 hits a second if I’m correct which would still take 5+ seconds.

The fastest skill I can use (and think of) to remove Missile is Ranger’s Barrage which deals 5 hits per overheat (15 total) but requires close range. SR isn’t the fastest class to remove Missile Hole.

[texugo1337]

Just give up this sage is clueless about being an archer in pvp.

[khanhvu326]

In fact, he is not a good player. I killed him a lot time.

[ymyr02]

missile hole is a nightmare to all archer tree…there are only few who go for hunter2 or falcon3 @_@…before an archer eliminates all of the MH life he is already dead…not unless he got very good items to defend himself…hehehe =)

[haryo567]

I have both Kabbal and Cata

I can feel the pain when using Cata and feel the happiness using Kabbal

Getting worst when you transcendence your weapon

Melee no point against Kabbal. Period

[arctus]

If Revenge Sevenfold was removed from the game, the pvp would be much more balanced