They’re are not punishing supports, you are support for a reason, you use or do what you can to boost your team’s overall effectiveness. This is similar to how fletchers use their arrows to kill faster in grind groups which makes us earn faster exp.
This isn’t the only game that does it, sorry for bringing in mobas, but you see support classes there, dota in particular spend their money on wards, smoke of deceit, etc to improve team effectiveness, you do this in a similar manner, in buffs however.
And in other games, once you play support classes, you can hardly do any damage. Here, you can still roll with your skills and do enough damage to sustain your soloing.
Clearly, u never seen what a so called “support” can do in end game PVP/PVE contents. Go youtube.
Support “suffers” from reagent for buff, tanker “suffer” from repair cost (13-20k silver for repair cost via NPC every 2-3 round of dungeon), and dps “suffer” from attribute costs. ATM you just comparing what you and your DPS friend, but sadly myfriend, theres a lot of players playing other class out there that you should bring into that comparison as well. I’ve played all 3 job, and between those 3, my DPS archer toon is most poor…30k+ per attribute, COMPULSARY to learn so i can do my job, which is DPS.
You don’t really spend a fortune in dungeon runs… right? I mean you only have 4-6 runs a days, and you can cast item consuming skills when it’s really necessary [if it really does cost you a fortune], which means you need better managing skill.
What I mean by helping is find a way to help you buy those items, that’s what friends do and there IS legit ways, you just have to think abt it, I won’t discuss this any further.
What I mean by “grateful” is that I don’t see healer/supporter as a slave [but I guess you yourself do].
And I try to manage myself and not to lose hp as much as possible while helping pt members fighting mobs/bosses - which means you can let your pt members be more independent indirectly by not always casting skills.
Lastly, with this mindset of yours, you are a legit player? Yes. Legit supporter? Not so much
I’m a full support, I duoed everything mainly with a wizard friend, then sometimes we did 5 people parties.
But I have no money issue, I’m way richer than my DPS friends~ Were the loots shared ?
You don’t take into account that maybe you spend for the buffs items, but they spend heavily on SP pots. Sometimes HP pots too.
You feel like you’re working hard “for nothing” because you make them save their HP pots while you’re paying for your buffs but… it works the other way too: they make dungeon runs/grinding fast and easy for you, while they burn all their SP pots. It’s definitely a give and take.
Tanks have to repair constantly since they receive damages constantly. DPS have to repair their weapon often since they use it like crazy. Next to that, a Priest doesn’t have to repair nearly as often (except if they tank/die).
You also shouldn’t waste your buffs and use them smartly. Why abuse Blessing for a couple of mobs ? Don’t buff it a few seconds before going into the fight.
I actually spam Aspersion as an attack, and always make sure Sacrament is on. Yet I don’t lose money… It makes me feel like you’re doing something wrong.
You also definitely don’t take into account other classes and how they work.
Fletcher have to buy wood to craft their arrows in order to attack.
Wugushi has to buy/farm items that will fill their poison pot.
Dievs have to buy wood to carve.
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A lot of classes have to buy things to make their skills work.
Imo it’s a nice way to teach people to play smarter and know when to use or not their skills.
Maybe you should play other classes and see how it works for them all, how much they spend in SP pots and HP pots, and see how you have it pretty easily and cheaply.
If they didn’t have that, with Priests not needing to buy any SP or HP pots, that’d actually make an imbalance in the incomes of the different classes.
That’s pretty much what a support is, though. Except when you solo, the Support is only there to maintain the party alive and kicking… Not to DPS or anything else. If you wanted to DPS a little bit, or do extra things out of Support, then you shouldn’t have gone the full support route, sadly. You should have gone Dievdirby or something.
I only agree on the fact some buffs don’t last long enough.
Blessing only lasts 45 seconds no matter what level it is. That makes it a skill pretty lame when fights will last longer and longer. It’s annoying to repeatedly cast it (especially since skills using items tend to lag/bug). It should have a duration attribute, has its base duration increased, or simply last longer the more you level it.
I’m not against it not lasting too long so Priest will have to keep the buffs on, but 45 seconds is ridiculous.
One hour if they don’t die.
Also, Blessing works with the number of hits, so actually a DPS that will buy a 1h buff from a Pardoner will definitely be wasting their money as it will disappear pretty fast.
Pardoner’s Spellshop doesn’t steal the job from Priests.
It proves you’re not trying to argue about anything here. You want something you believe its better no matter what, even with no one (including the suports) behind your back.
Every single class in this game have a downside, even unbalanced these days.
As I said before, I’m a full and cast all my buffs around even with no mobs to kill, just cuz I rly like to see the buff bar full and why not? I’m the richer in my guild cuz the money spent in material for buffs are irelevant and my mates use much more money to keep up with me at the same stage of the game.
For SP/HP costs, I would say that’s not comparable. Because rangers/wiz/archers can solo hunt stuff themselves to gain back the cost, while full support classes have to always stay in a party, there’s no way for them to gain back the cost.
To illustrate, suppose you always party with an archer from the start.
He needs SP pots, maybe HP pots sometime, or maybe gear or more cost. In the party, he always earn more than you since your skills cost silver. After the archer spends some silver for pots, he can solo to farm stuff to make profit while you can only sit there doing nothing without a party.
My point is, since full support have to rely on party, they should be rewarded or at least treated fairly in the party play.
I think we both agree that the blessing skill is flawed, it’s just that you don’t agree with my suggestion to fix it, which is totally fine.
If our full support clerics can fight stuff on our own, do you think we don’t need to repair 3 times per day?
Brace yourself when you can kill stuff still.
Point: don’t compare sth that’s not comparable. and i didn’t say swordsmen have an easy life, but this is out of topic
I totally agree with you dude! Spending so much Silver to do our job makes no sense. =S Another reason is that people CAN’T HELP US buying those items because IT’S NOT POSSIBLE TO TRADE. Argh! It means we have to deal with it ourselves.
If you don’t know Chaplains have to pay 1000 Silver to be able to cast CAPELLA. It means if you want to cast 100x you’ll have to pay 100k. That’s ridiculous!!
Kind of agree. But then again… I think the buffing is made limited to make smart usage. The buffs are not the usual thing, its not on a forever active basis. It’s meant as more of a smart usage.
But i agree that support classes should get more rewarded, clerics are not the easiest class specially if you’re going full support.
I would like to see them a little more loved.
I mean you only have 4-6 runs a days, and you can cast item consuming skills when it’s really necessary [if it really does cost you a fortune], which means you need better managing skill.