thats not true in R8… swordsman are top dps… unless u make a shity build
Nope u should put it backward unless Cleric make a shitty build
eeerrr… no?..
LOL?
You REALLY, think a Rank 8 Swordie class is able to performe better than a Rank 8, Battle Priest+Chaplain+Paladin+Inquisitor with lvl 17 Buffs?
FYI I used to play both, Full STR Sqordies and Full DEX Swordies and thought just like you, tried a INT battle Priest+Chaplain+Paladin and I’m dishing way more damage than my previous builds using the same gear on both the swordie and Cleric. Besides the fact that as a Cleric, you need like no health pots, you have Heal+Pala HP Regen+Pala Elemental Def+Buffed smite and soon buffed Godsmack.
Sorry to break it to you but Cleric skill kit is better than any Swordman. Trust me been there done that.
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dude u need to check some videos, some forum stuff, some stuff stuff, cus swordsman are top dps right now in kTOS…
and u are talking about paladin, there are barrier scrolls, nobody go paladin…
Stuff from kTOS is not that accurate for now due to these rank 8 classes being out there for a very short time.
relatively that is
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Its true i dont really believe swordsman is top DPS anymore
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Thats when the skill reset potions comes in.
Pretty sure a good Fencer/Dragoon Build are still top DPS exclusive only to WB.
As for AOE Dragoon are keeping up now.
For ET that is a different story all together, because ET is about party synergy.
If you want to star a Meele DPS / Heavy bruiser as a key star. Then you have to revolve your build around him.
It is easier to revolve a build around Elememe and SR because information are already out there and plans. Such as Krvis Meltis + diev + SR + meme. combo.
The term is too vague. If you are saying tankability. Honestly if you make enemies fall flat faster then they can hit. What is tankability. Which is happening in this case. I believe R8 is the start the change of the whole structure of TOS.
You guys haven seen how full Con wizard suffers at R8 now with the changes. Proper build Dragoons make Full Con aoe wizard look like a joke :V
What most people do not realize here is that in Tree of Savior, unlike most other mmorpgs, the Swordman (Warrior) path is NOT the no-brainer path.
Swordmen can dish out a lot of damage, even right now. But you need to put your brain to use and combo skills and class ranks - this is how Swordman are designed to work here. Most people can’t do this. All they can do is reroll into Copy-Paste-Mage and spam 3 buttons.
For example a lot of trash swordmen go Pelta1-Barb3 and wonder why they deal no damage. Might be because of 0 class synnergy and having no clue how to get damage out of their chosen path. 
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In this case it is true. Actually almost all builds revolve around a mechanics.
I guess people just like to go the one click destroy i win button
Imo even Elememe has issue now. I realize it after playing it till 225. The cool downs are retardly long. Also looking at the memes with MAX cap attributes + everything they only deal like 13k * 15 hits + 8k x 16 hits for a whole FC duration+ full int. That is alot of AOE dmg just that it isn’t as impressive compare to melting people with 100k hp now.
With Mobs hp going 300k-400k . Where as a dragoon can burst it down with 2 dethrone ?? you what niggah. Fencer can pop a 300k burst with epee + flence. Murmillo can burst down a small group of mob up to 4-5 tagets at 300k. Unless he is building something wrong.
The only general problem is everyone keep complaining about how bad it is instead of finding a solution.
I know certain buffs have alot of retarded negative points like - defense etc. You can negate them imo if you don’t like it
How about if the case dodging and tanking doesn’t work. Why not just burst it down as fast as you can just like what archers have been doing along.
Pretty sure most pure con players will set me on fire for this, but hey honestly why not look at the situation at another view.
With
Spear Lunge -> Serpentine -> Detrhone
a Dragoon should be able to burst down a 300k HP mob. Depending on Attributes maybe some Dragon Roar left to kill.
Yes you can not AoE burst down enemies with it but guess what - that is not what Dragoon is supposed to do. The only sad thing about R8 atm from what I have seen is that Wizards lack their class typical AoE dps or damage in general. Warlock C2 is bad because The R8 game is about high single damage and multihits got gimped by big base defenses, FF is decent but risky, Enchanter is the R8 Pardoner and Sage at the moment is a random collection of Wizard Skills.
At least PD C2 has got very good AoE damage. o.o
i am not sure if they are making PD C2 the new meme rofl.
But in general with R8 out swordsman are not that shabby just that. like OP mention on the buffs. There are too many down sides to certain buff. Mitigation of damage does exist for certain builds like rodeo slithering. That was a god send.
As for DPS. please don’t say swordsman dps is shiet @ R8. Thats only if they like the for fun build. or mabbe cosair Shooting at their own body parts.
Eh? I’m pretty sure wizard can already burst down 300k HP mobs with theurge + frost cloud.
Warlock c2 give you more hit on theurge balls and stronger evil spirit as well as more levels to pole. Sure the new skills aren’t flashy but it is by no means R8 wizard is weak.
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Yea they aren’t too shabby, but they are not as efficient as compare to the brilliant FC they use to have.
I would say in AOE bursting wise. They are shift down from the extremely good to the “not bad”. R8 wizards are a little lackluster. As compae to 1-7 supporting up. So R8 still seems relatively fine.
As for weak it was due to comparison among all the others. We will see how R9 works for wizard anyway.
better get back to the swordsmans topic or derailing in progress.
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No you can’t. The Monsters in the new High Level Region have got high base defenses. IMC finally got rid of that Tree of Multihit business.
To get through these places you need a lot of base damage hence all new skills have really good base damage.
Theurge gets more hits, but the damage is weak and get’s reduced to very little same for the souls and you still get no souls of party members kill something which is horrible to begin with. And FC is pretty much dead by then.
I mean there is still a lot of time until it comes here, but if things stay this way Warlock C2 is complete trash and wizard dps in general. Whereas Swordman deal some very good damage because of buffs and high base damage.
How much base defense those monsters get? Theurge touches for 4-5k damage even without high attribute, I don’t think it’s weak. Pole and frost cloud maybe.
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Uh I don’t have numbers but much. The problem is really the base. Everything in ToS has hidden multipliers. Like monsters that hit you for 3k dmg actually only do 500 dmg with multipier and with 500 physical def they hit you for 1.
And Theurge does not have that high damage. That is all multipliers.
Level 10 Theurge has 2000 base damage. Then you can add like 1500 magic attack onto it if you have a lot of int and an upgraded weapon. This gives you 3500 per hit. The rest of the damage comes from attributes and quickcast and if these are calculated after defense then uh. At the moment there aren’t much monsters with that high of a defense. But this might be the reason why Koreans report that those multihits do not deal much damage anymore.
Imagine a monster with 3000 magic defense and multipliers calculated after, then you end up with 5001,51,5=1125 hits. I don’t think it is that extreme as good sources for real numbers on high level mobs are rare but this might happen.
We will see, at least the future for Swordmen is good. 
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Checked the formulas, first comes the calculation of the defense and then the multilpiers. This is why Warlock C2 has huge problems.
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Fencer’s Attaque Coquille says hi 
High base defense benefits Fencers actually since they just ignore them altogether.
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That is true, but it boils down to how many defense monsters get. And whether there is a way to cut down defense or not (similar to skull swing)
Right now I can’t say because obviously I don’t know level 300+ yet