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#125

Not all players lurk into the forums most of them just download-play-sux and reroll once they realize that the class they play is built nothing but just to lure mobs thats just basically what happens to sword players atm. And once they ask for something in this forum you people who play the op classes would just frown and make fun of them pretty selfish ya? You want all the dmg yourself? Well take a look at ktos patch archers are still getting buffed even if people tell they’re dmg is broken., clerics getting buffed too despite of being called the jack of all trades which sword should have been, I’ve seen so many clerics deal alot more dmg than other sword whilst still having self-sustain and crazy buffs so much for being a support lol? Dont forget about wiz the cc masters of this game so cool much wow give them both int oriented classes animus and they’ll can be you’re tank just without the aggro skill sword has., so cool lmao

Now idk why you people always tell others just to reroll when they probably did the moment they see other classes like archers deal 3-4x they’re dmg without even breaking a sweat.

Now thats just what happened to me you see you play a class and build it for something if sword is just for tank like everyone in this mothereffin forum says then why dont IMC delete the fkin sword since others can do the tanking job much better?

Oh sorry im not picking a fight here just wanna release the stress kept within because I lost something so precious not only to me but to everyone else who played sword dps and rerolled to another class that thing called #TIME

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#127

Nvm sorry for the wall anyways im still waiting for imc to give some shiet about sword atm im happily playing a1qs3 will probably go for wugushi for world boss or might try some fun build rofl

#128

I’m not saying nerf CON or CON block, I’m saying buff STR so that STR give block penetration as well. CON also gives crit resistant, which further nullify physical damage as well

You see, physical class can build STR and DEX, for DEX you get damage (crit) and evasion. For STR you only get damage (crit atk is useless since you can’t crit with full STR) so if there is block penetration added for STR it would somewhat help out.

But overall, I think

  • Archer need block penetration on certain skills/weapons so they can hunt wiz and cleric
  • Swordmen need more mobility and maneuver, as well as block penetration on certain classes
  • Block should not be so potent, 60% block just by being full CON is ridiculous

Game should be in a rock-scissor-paper situation, where each class have a weakness. Currently wiz have none. I can say that cleric is closer to balanced since they have some sufferings.

#129

well, isn’t strength and crit kinda the same as int? wizard do get a lot of damage on int, they just don’t need it. maybe if magic needed int for the damage they’d be forced to split stats.

#130

Crossguard is more than 3x the block of a petalsta (That is more or less 1700 on skill lv15 + char lv 280) since consume SP everytime you use it, against petalta that with all the buffs, is at 500). But is inferior to petalta defense because the delay problem (I talk about that more below).

The whole problem is: Doesn’t matter how much block you have, You cant block magic.
So, all you see is a damage coming and you can do nothing.

My PERSONAL problem with Crossguard, even without magic problem:
The other problem is on a delay of the Graphics manegement, for me personally. The time the monster appear to start the preparation for the hit, even if you use Crossguard before the hit, you get hit, so you need to see the padron of time and start Crossguard much before. So, is very inferior than petalsta block because of this. Since it least only a few seconds: 5 to 7 seconds, you always lose the time, because the defense is not a the time of the animation. If you start too early and the monster get much time to hit, you lost the defense (short time of use). BUT if you start to late, even if the animation appear to be on the perfect time, even 0.5 seconds before, this can hit you.

But I dont know if is a personal problem.

Why I’m saying that? Because swordsman dont have a opition with button to sprint: is just touch the directional. So, if you try to run just after defend, you will get a Big Big delay. The “two touch” to run get broken if you gets any lag, so is very dificult to use both on battles: the Crossguard and/or Sprint. Even with monsters.

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Highlander's Cross Guard vs Peltasta's High Guard...WTF?
#131

Just play swordman, if you please. Don’t throw pointless stuff like this. You are basically saying all swordman population don’t know how to play swordman.

Please consider the following (asides from the fact that not all swordman has shield or cross guard):

  • C Guard and cross guard cannot block magic damage, or CC
  • C Guard and cross guard immobilize you as well
  • C Guard and cross guard disable all your attacks.
  • C Guard and cross guard has an animation, you need to preemptively use it before the opponent attack. Couple with 100-150 ping you need to be clairvoyant to actually block a human opponent.

Just go full CON and equip a simple Aias, you will block more than half of any physical damage. You don’t even need to be good, you don’t even need to do anything, you just need to be there.

If you die with those setup, then I relay your own words to you: I doubt the player skill.

Well, unlike your glorious wizard, swordman need accuracy as well, so full CON = miss all the hit on archers, and very low damage on any others. And also slow and melee

I’ll tell you what, try to PvP for one day, but try to stay close to the opponent like swordman, then come back and tell me how good that experience is.

With buffs he meant party buff, not power balance.

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#132

I do see good swordsman that’s able to do that, and felt incredibly useful as an ally in both pvp and pve. Yes it’s still underpowered, but at least not useless like most of the swordsman is. I have a full CON peltasta 3 rodelero 2 squire in my guild, which is incredibly useful when partnered with mage class during small scale gvg (which is dead now due to neutrality), where he just face rush our enemy during gvg, knock them down, and let the glass cannon finish them.

This is true, but not limited to swordsman population. Most elememe population don’t know how to play elememe too. In fact, from what I noticed, most player is just so bad that they can’t use their character efficiently. Just look at how people can’t even dodge the boss in mission, or going cafrisun+blessing+sacrament and auto attacking all the time without stopping can easily outdps everyone in low level mission because they have too much wasted movement.

However, since that skill floor of elememe is so high that all you have to do is quick cast and use frost cloud, you don’t really have to be skilled to be useful.

For swordsman though, you need to be much more skilled in your control and game knowledge to be useful (low skill floor), which most players don’t. I’m using cross guard and shield as an argument on how most player has low mechanical skill as they can’t even use their skill to block physical damage, not for how swordsman can matchup to mage.

Isn’t that what elememe does in PvP? There is an easy method to win against non cryo/kino in PvP as swordsman. DASH AWAY, and strike when unexpected, or after the important skill of elememe went on cd. The mental stress on the mage is seriously huge due to being on the passive side. It’s not a cheap method, it’s making use of swordsman advantage.

#133

Did you ever fight against a good cata 3 in pvp as a non cryo 3/kino 3? By good, I mean player that’s not retarded enough to run into sleep or dark theurge. I’m not even setting the bar high.

There is a reason why sword 3 cata 3 is a top pvp contender. You can’t do sht against them as a Wizard (arguably archer can easily fight back due to high evasion) because of the stun lock once they get into your range.

Seriously, I wonder how many of the people commenting here ever fight more than 100 players in various conditions to be able to state the pro and con of different classes in pvp (don’t get me wrong, I still agree that swordie need buff, and pvp based wizard such as cryo/kino/warlock need a nerf).

I do agree that cryo 3/kino 3/Warlock deserve some nerf and they do get it in ktos.

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#135

so if you say swordman in iToS have no skill that they whine sword man are useless and weak

then why you don’t check the top 100 ranking in KrToS

pre- cryo-psycho nerf: 2 sword man, 2 archer
after cryo-psycho nerf, swordman buff: 4 sword man 4 archer

in pve: rare to see an tank build sword man for ET

so that mean Swordman players in Kr where got most of pro players at almost every game sucks also ?

you may have problem with your logical, just because you as a wiz have a much easy life that you think everything is fine and those sword man player are just noobs whiniers

your tone in every sword man topics are all the same: “just because you guys sucks, not the class itself” i’m already sick of it

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#137

every physical class sucks rl bad in pvp due of block rate of other magic class are too high that most of their attack are blocked.

#138

It only shows that it’s easy to play wizard, and extremely hard to play as swordsman, or how do you think that the swordsman even got into the list? Do ktos only has 25 wizard players in arena? It shows that you can actually be top PvPer as swordsman if you are good.

I had met good swordsman that can actually do stuff in PvP like those that get into top ranking in ktos duel, that’s why I’m pretty sure that you guys need to git gud before commenting on what swordsman need as a buff.

Look at how swordsman is nerfed due to unnecessary whine by low skilled player during icbt2, even though those nerf is not needed.

Also, it’s a common knowledge that korean sux at gvg compared to non-korean guild (due to lack of voip during gvg), where swordsman truly excel at.

But well, I do agree that we can just delete swordsman from ToS now due to the various limitation to GvG.

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#139

… just submit yourselves to this wiz pls.

#140

haha, top 100
only 4 sword man on top
2 dragoon out of 4 sword man players are called cheater, hacker in KR tos forum, community

that’s normal, because players are sucks with swordman
haha, i laughing at your failed logic so hard

sorry i can’t get more of your spewing shiet

gid gud my ass, thank you

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#142

I do agree that swordsman is underpowered, and wizard need some nerf. I never denied it. But what I really meant is that most of the people here don’t even understand about swordsman because swordsman has low skill floor.

Do you understand what is skill floor? Something that’s easy to use don’t always mean it’s OP, it merely means it will easily win at low skill level.

If you had played dota, swordsman is like the pre-buffed invoker (ironically that’s a mage hero), it’s underpowered, most player is sht on it, but still an extremely strong hero in the right hand.

Again, anyone that want to comment on swordsman should probably participate in at least 100 open field war, or solo grind to at least 270 (which is possible even on a templar), to understand about the true weakness of swordsman, before you gave suggestion that will actually fk up the class again (like how they actually overbuffed wiz 3 by having it on permanent duration due to low skilled player whining on how wiz 3 is underpowered during icbt2).

#143

no sorry, it’s not like sword man need high skill cap just because sword man are too weak in pvp compare too other class (even archer are better at pvp when both physical class sucks)

you get the wrong idea, you don’t even know how to compare and even think straight about it

this guy consider one of best sword man who upload in YT

this salt at pre - cryo - psycho nerf

what he have said
"psychokino + Animus(nec ACC) = have high HP / magic attack
psychokino’s combo can deal 3~50000 damage (No INT)
and WE CAN NOT ANYTHING
just die"

btw
in CBT wiz c3 dont’ have attribute who increased magic dmg by 50% on their quick cast, but now they have so they don’t even whine once again
got it ?

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#144

Did you realize that all my statement for swordsman is strictly against non cryo/kino? Those 2 class is just broken in PvP. Please don’t use them as comparison.

My initial statement is that swordsman can fight against mage IF they are not cryo/kino.

It’s not only swordsman player that felt that cryo kino is OP, every other classes too.

Also, I based my swordsman experience on open field war, which is already killed by neutrality. So it probably doesn’t matter anyway.