Okay thanks for the answer!
and what about Krivis with Daino, is it needed for parties? because I could swap Cleric C2 for Krivis in that build you said just to get it so my party could have more buffs though I guess that would make it more of a solo build than party since I’d have less heal tiles right? 
Very insightful, i hope other threads can do something similar too.
(Sort of relevant ) By the way, there is some things on tos inven showing the ‘hitbox’( I hope this is the right word? I don’t know any other word) for some cleric family skills that could be useful to look at.
The Mass Heal at max seemed a bit overkill in an int build, how do you think about a chaplain build like this?
The krivis is because using scrolls to boost my buff limit is tedious.
How is my heal so bad at lvl 5, that it won’t be effective without lvl 10 on an int build? For earth tower.
Okay so I just saw the monk skill builds and they’re pretty questionable… Is that a PvE oriented stuff…? Cause you know that you’ll never hit Palm Strike/Hand Knife in PvP, and you’re not getting your other one long range, high damage “homing” attack skill(God Finger Flick). Missing out on getting one ranged “homing” skill for PvP is pretty brutal.
Ah right, sorry my bad.
Tank builds will want it maxed, as they lack dmg anyway.
But for monks it’s more so personal preference, since you’ll likely wait for heal/safety zone to attempt a res anyway.
Needed, no. It just helps get more buffs on at once to boost defensive, utility or damage. Some teams won’t need it, others greatly benefit from it. Though it’s rarely as useful as healing. It’s rare for a cleric to need daino for themselves, like a priest3/chaplain/oracle for example.
But daino scrolls let you do both anyway.
It’s not.
30% of a 60k hp swordsman vs 700 int for a 700 heal bonus. What should you pick.
You want it maxed whenever possible period.
Because health scaling is more important for organised parties then the int bonus is and ever will be.
Clerics/swordsmen take more dmg and have far higher base health.
Wizards/archers should learn to avoid being hit, but they do benefit from the int bonus nicely.
None of that is earth tower btw. Earth tower is not about how much healing you got, but about how much damage you can prevent.
As i wrote in the monk section, you can pick almost any combination you want of monk dmg skills. That was more of a pve example.
Hand Knife can be ranged though, see: [Monk] Deprotected Zone + Hand Knife Synergy
Energy blast is also nice ofc.
It’s better to replace palm strike with God Finger Flick for pvp though.
Palm Strike/One hit punch can do good dmg, but that melee range eh ;/
So the optimal full support build would be this one you listed in the Chaplain section?
and also focuses on INT stat right?
I wouldn’t call it full support as it’s damage is quite nice. but it is one of the best options for it.
I’d suggest running it as a spr or int build, or even a mix of those. Spr = block, int = better healing and more dmg.
Otherwise paladin3’s are your best bet. They still get a chunk of healing for a str build. Barrier and resist elements is quite nice.
And i need to test just how good a diev3/druid2 is, though i suspect it’s a contender as well. But in a round about way ^^
Thanks for the video! I knew it had a hidden effect but I didn’t know how it was.
Btw, lemme correct you on this one, the extra Healing from INT is actually quite significant. Significant enough that after watching a lv247 cleric c2 show how his main source of healing is Mass Heal and his Heal was actually pretty bad(he was a SPR/CON support).
The extra healing from Heal actually goes from 1.65INTHeal lv(number of tiles) to 1.95INTHeal lv so 700 int would get you from +1155 per tile to +1365. Which is quite huge when you think about it, especially if you consider all of the tiles. A player with 30K HP(which isn’t all that common to begin with, but I guess will be more common as the game progresses) is only healed by 1.5K per tile from a non INT player, and going up to 2.7K~ per Heal tile for some1 with high INT which makes a really big difference.
So the conclusion is that any organised party would have a INT cleric for the role of Healing instead of a non-INT one.
Since it doesn’t really stand to chance(as in there’s no way there’ll be more kabbalists/druid2) the amount of plague docters there will be, how would one describe the viability of a bokor docter vs a chaplain docter in 2v2 pvp?
And then also 5v5 pvp?
For Heal vs Mass Heal think of it this way:
Heal tiles are 5% + whatever extra and Mass Heal at max is 28% + whatever extra. So in other words for a single player to get the same amount of healing from Mass Heal as they would from Heal, they’d have to step on about 5 tiles, and for an entire party you’d need 25 tiles to achieve the same effect. Your extra healing will vary of course but as player’s HP increase the extra int becomes less significant.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvPq47io95Y)
this is what a monk can do with icewall
other than that monk is not that good.
It’s not about Heal vs Mass Heal, it’s about INT actually being a big factor in being a good healer. That logic of yours only works if you’re assuming that the caster has no INT. As of right now, it’s very hard to find any1 with more than 20K HP that isn’t a swordie. And, you also have to think that as players hp increase, the caster’s INT is also increasing(and actually really fast). The point is that having no INT would make you a terrbile healer for any1 that isn’t the tank of your party. But ofc, begin a good healer or not is only an actual factor for hard contents(like GvGs and Earth thower, currently).
Took a look at your subclass rundown (on google docs). Good stuff. Some things that seem odd:
I know your argument and i know the heal int scaling. I just disagree with it in the sense that i find the base health better for healing clerics & swordsman while still good enough for wizards/archers. Which i find preferable.
Int is the other way around, better for wizards/archers, worse for high health chars.
@ShyBoo depends to much on the teams/opposition/meta for me to answer imo. Aside of bokor being better vs magic enemies ofc.
Yeah, i misinterpreted a video. Will need to make adjustments to that and the sadhu part. Cheers.
I really hope the dmg parts of r7 classes work for sadhu, but i want it confirmed before i recommend it. Better safe then sorry imo.
Incinerate + fumigate was a rumor here on the pd thread i believe, but also was just a text post so you know how that goes.
Amasing stuff here. I have a few questions about Druid. I apologize if some of my questions are not revelant since i didn’t played the beta.
When you transform, how much monster spécific skill do you have ? Can it vari depending on the monster ?
All transformations have differents moove set ?
When you change a mob type into plant with Chortasmata, can u transform into it ?
When you transform, do you change your type too ? For exemple if you turn into a plant will +dmg on plant affect you ?
From all transformation possible, none of them are good ?
Can we immagine a Tank/Druid with Giant/Insect type or an Assassin like Druid with Small/Animal type ?
EDIT: Can u buff yourself, transform and keep your buffs ?
Hope you answer.
Before i begin, just a disclaimer.
Druid transformations in ictb2 seemed outright incomplete, skills were lacking names, descriptions, icons etc etc. So i think there’s a good change it’ll change or has changed already.
You receive 1-3 attack skills usually and the 4th skill cancels your transformation. And yes the number and types vary a lot per monster.
Almost all transformations have different skills, though i expect there to be some overlap. (a lot are variations of a auto attack basically, with different elements & dmg types)
Chortasma’s plant conversion works on all non flying enemies, so you can transform into any non flying enemy. and flying grass types if they exist.
Considering the attributes only work on specific types, yes you will.
The two best options (speed buff, invuln) require a oracle atm. So they don’t seem to be planned to be good. Heard that earth tower might house a few good ones. Aside of that most generic transformations sucked.
Frankly no, you’d always have a 120s cd. And unless a transformation gets you a provoke it doesn’t seem capable of tanking. Melee or magic dmg options should be viable and the easiest to get, if you can find a strong mob to transform into.
Buffs and stats remain, but i did notice a loss in damage. So something does not carry over, my estimate was that some equips were ignored for it. But that needs more testing.
Thank you for your answer !
Druid seems to be a very underexplored class, i migh main it and try to undestand every monster skill in the game 
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But the cd start at when you cast transform or when your transformation end ? I always thought it was when you cast it so when you lvl up it you can stay transformed for ever.
When you transform with Chortasma, will you be plant type or the original monster type ? Cause you can’t have the attribute bonus without beeing an insect/animal/plant.
The cd starts when the shape ends. Though i hope they change it. And frankly reduce the duration/cd by a ton. Not having access to anything else sucks.
I will need to test if chortasmata even affects druids themselves. I doubt it does but i didn’t verify.
That CD thing is the bigest problem indeed.
Can be fun to EXP/PVE with druid by rotating with ShapeShift/Transform you will have a different moove set for every mob.
Anyway, i guess we will need some testing.
OK, Thank you once again.