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Policy Update Regarding RMT

Seems as though most people don’t understand economics in a video game but I’ll try to shed some light.
In an MMO when you kill a monster, currency appears. This currency regardless of the source is then in the system until removed by an outside source. On its own the currency is worth less however it’s value is decided by a few factors such as the amount of time it takes to obtain amounts of currency as well as the cost of fixed items in the game such as silver sinks which effectively work to stop a literal infinite supply of a currency.
This is different from real life because irl the only (legal) way to obtain currency is to exchange items or time for it (a job ect) and that money never fully “leaves” the economy since money doesn’t just materialize like in an MMO. Thus irl it’s much harder to reach a state of inflation (value of currency comparable to amount of currency ) than it is in an mmo since again in an MMO money literally appears from nowhere. Because of this if this money isn’t going into silver sinks it inflates the prices on the server . This gets worse because RMTing is rarely done though players but through bots who don’t need to eat sleep or go out. Because of their ability to constantly generate silver and trade it for money that isn’t related at all to the game, this throws the economy into a death spiral. This is different from tp since the value of those items is 100% decided by the community and isn’t in it’s self it’s in form of currency. You can’t buy anything at all in the game for a diamond anvils, however you can trade it to another player or sell it on the market. Thusly TP trade doesn’t actually hurt the game(in the framework of this discussion, the tp shop is a mess and that’s a topic for another day).

Tl;Dr: RMT bad for a multitude of reasons. Tp trade is bad but not for the same reasons.

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Drawing real-life comparisons to MMOs seems reasonable to me, but feel free to digest this and call me out for being an idiot:

  • Currency appears in game when you kill monster == spending your time at a job or making money on your own IRL
  • Money materializing in MMO == Countries’ Mint generating/printing currency

Lets say IMC is the bank. The bank and you come to an agreement, when you kill monsters or complete dungeons we pay you. Also, we will provide you will value-added services that cost silver, such as re-rolling velcoffer cubes, so money comes back to us. Also if you want to use our marketplace, we take a cut.

The way I look at it, every MMO is its own economy, and it is simple to draw comparisons to real life.

EDIT: Yes, I get the fundamental difference in that IRL, money is transferred and doesn’t just materialize, but it isn’t too much of a stretch of the imagination to apply RL econ to a video game.

I just want to comment on a couple of things here. Reading this forum thread has been really facepalm-worthy. The main things that people seem to be confused or wrong about are:

Just ban the bots. Gold sellers literally can create multiple if not hundreds of bot accounts and then level/farm silver everyday. Banning bots is only a temporary issue and will not solve anything as long as they can effortlessly create more with the press of a button. Dealing with the demand for bots (banning gold buyers) will also affect the supply (eliminating the need for bots).

It’s IMC’s fault that buying from RMTers is more profitable. Although this now most definitely is a pay to win game, I’m surprised that so many of you are openly so in love with p2w. Whoever’s fault it may be that RMT was able to run so rampant with no punishment, IMC is now taking initiative to deal with this problem but people are still complaining. Confused

But now I can get banned for doing trades via market. No, you won’t. You’re not a bot. It’s easy to tell. Complain after you’ve been wrongfully banned. By the way, that doesn’t mean complain to IMC for getting banned for actually RMTing like some people have had the nerve to do. Terms of service says that you can be banned at any time for this transgression so RMT at your own risk. You got caught :wave:

Buying TP sucks and I’d rather not spend money on the game. Well good for you. If this crackdown actually succeeds in greatly hindering RMT, then this only benefits f2p and honest TP buyers. Inflation drops as silver sinks do what they are now intended to do. Suddenly things are affordable. Rejoice

I’m obviously an RMTer and now my RMT is getting taken away. Boohoo :tired:

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Interesting note: rare drops like Dratt Two-Handed Sword seem to be the new target for bots, as evidenced by many bots at Dvasia peak. Can anyone explain to me how they plan to RMT with these items? You buy a Dratt XXX for real money, but its value is much less compared to silver, you can complete a collection, which doesnt give you much. This has way less value than buying anything (masinos, atttributes, DA, etc.) with silver. How can the RMT-sellers make profit from this?

They’re just leveling there, as far as I know.

Need new bot armies.



xdd

Credits to Master Excrulon for the good old addons!

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oh god, my sides

Photoshop heroes fail. The same idiots making this claim for years. Yet here I still am… interesting. I dont even have that team name.

I have no idea how to use photoshop, nor do I own the software.

@Lubu20 it’s called it’s ■■■■■■■ faker than fake. These idiots sit here all day and pyhotoshop my name on stuff. Look at what they did earlier with the leticia cubes. ATLEAST get my ■■■■■■■ team name right you dumb shits. You got the name wrong too!!! anyone who buys this is a fool. Rabee fur? You chose the most common item too, like no offense mate if I did do it I wouldn’t be using rabbee fur. smfh

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Overkill =/= Over.kill. My name used to be Greasy typhoonz so its fake bullshit. The guy never got any of the names right. If you’re going to smear someone I guess you can’t go harder than this. Fake news.

That’s the character name and we can’t use dots on that.

You just proved your own point. It’s easier to believe these idiots sat here and photoshopped my name, because if they had this longer than TODAY we would have SEEN IT. Conveniently it shows up now, when Remiri is under the spotlight. This is some nerd sitting down exacting revenge with photoshop and nothing more. Rabbee fur? Seriously? He chose the most common ■■■■■■■ RMT item and put my name on it. But didn’t get the name right unfortunately.

That “Overkill” seems correct? Yes.

lol7

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Can confirm:
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guid hivemind rofl

/20chars

This is your magnum opus of damage control.

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Look you guys can do all your little kung fu nerd ■■■■. I’m still here and still playing, it’s fake. You guys produce fake photoshops to prove your stupid points. You couldn’t have produced this photo for the last 2 years, don’t even give me that crap. Conveniently now you’re going to post it, you’ve had TWO ■■■■■■■ years or more to post that and now you’re doing it? I call bs. When the going get’s tough, make ■■■■ up. I have videos of my name being Greasy Typhoonz, can you find that name in there?