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Policy Update Regarding RMT

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#135

@STAFF_Yuri wouldn’t it be a good idea to add a bounty/reward system now?

If the point of first stages is analysis there could be an event (or maybe permanent feature) to incentive players to report and help to enforce the policy. If you combine this effort with the Report feature on market it could be a nice thing.

This also makes me think of a possible suggestion, a “witness” system or something like a “secure trade system”.

Given a special 1:1 trade you could allow the assignment of 2 players to a transaction, 1 for each side. This already happens unofficially at times, like, when people were selling Solmiki 40F Weapons.

By using the witness system all 4 involved players would agree to be punished if there’s illegal activity, the trade isn’t completed until GM revision and it allows trading silver directly.

The GM would be able to allow the trade, object it and/or punish all involved players for the illegal activity.

Of course this assumes a low number of trades like these so it doesn’t become a burden or a long waiting process. But could be interesting to give players a way to start special trusted trades in a legit way that gets a GM validation directly but also reviewed by the witness.

As a safe measure, make it so witness must be on their friendlist for X days or weeks and be Y years old and this could allow you to be harsher on unusual transactions without hurting honest players.

#136

You have to understand that RMT can not be stopped no developper ever did it on any mmo.
IMC can not block RMT without blocking player as well. Understand that the only way to kill RMT is to kill the game :tired:

One suggestion not a solution just some ideas is to install a convert system of TP to silver with a dynamic evolution to stay competitive with gold player price for exemple.

Or just look at the average gold seller/buyer average silver transaction and add some silver packs at the TP trader for like 300 / 500 / 900tp.

silver customers goes to IMC = Less demand for gold seller = less bots

And i said “less” because there will still be RMT no matter what as long as the game is alive.

(but then people will still cryin because IMC is selling pay to win silver) :tired:

And even if for some reason RMT disapear people will find another thing to cry for :tired:

So understand IMC are doing what they can do about it.

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#137

In other games, if anyone was dumb enough to admit RMT in the forum, he would be insta-banned.

Not only he came here admitting it, he went further and demanded that bots should be all banned in order to stop violating game rules.

I’m appalled, what’s the point the new rules?

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#138

Why would anyone have issue with that? You are supporting the development of the game and providing items that people want, it isn’t like those items are magically converted to silver, there is a demand for them.

Meanwhile, straight RMT doesn’t support the developers and supports people who are making the game worse for everyone via botting and spamming chat.

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#139

Sorry for the off-topic comment but I cannot resist. Think if that happened in-game instead, near a GM. lol

They really need to be harsher with these things.

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#140

It happened, why do you think I’m so pissed off? I quit over such things last time, I’m about to again.

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#141

thats the problem, maybe a team of active in game gm with basic commands like kick/ban would be nice.
They could just patrol popular bots map or idk.

But people spamming you all day to cry might be horrible and as a GM id kill myself :tired:

#142

No, that was only part of the problem, because despite all evidence provided, he was banned only months later and the botter sat near the GM (with all his bots, forgot to mention) a couple of times, basically making fun of them.

When someone comes here and says he’s violating the rules and nothing is done, the problem is the lack of punishment (and I’d say self-respect too).

What’s the point of playing legitimately if anyone that violates the rules is punished with a pat in the back, if punished at all?

#143

I kinda understand this policy is great help but when bot dies off do we have a chance to lower down the tax at market really killing a normal player hard earn silver also there’s alot like dungeons that doesn’t drop silver too , it would be great alot things can drop silver since upgrade our characters requires alot silver like attribute/anvil/awakening . Is not I care about others doing rmt but player business to gain silver is harder to sell at high price . Alright lets put an example no bots no RMT anymore in market about silver all just pure players with current difficulty base on RNG and high tax is our biggest enemy and why because we need high income in order to par the difficulty of RNG cube/ichor/anvil to able to gain what to upgrade our character so it be great if the policy comes in market 0 tax even our item not sold also could no deduct silver . Thank you imc

#144

the problem with that and for extension my suggestion too…

is that rewarding players would flood them (staff) with fake and abusive “results”…

if you want a real life example, count all the women that died on the last witch hunt alone…

The desire to help should come from the heart of the community and if they wish to reward it should be something small or under the covers as to not draw attention of the many dumb one that think themselves clever…

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#145

im afraid its not that easy.

One fun idea would be to have dedicated in-game moderator team , giving up on playing the game, and just be available to make sure people are not violating the in game rules. They will see any evidence by their own eyes and react instantly.

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But this come with pros and cons and i think IMC already thought about all of this.

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#146

finally someting is gonna be made about those anoying silver sellers …

… the only thing I think was a mistake was tell until when the monitoring will be on, some may wait until the end of it to start doing the silver selling again …

… one thing that is my doubt is the ban will be account ban or IP ban (like the one made by Blizzard some time ago) ? cause it is only account they might just make new accounts and keep doing this stuff

#147

Sadly they are kind of obligated to tell… kind of like those term of use that no one reads are obligated to pop up on everything…

The oldest trick in the book for an abuser of any kind is…

Fake ignorance…

I felt a deja u…

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#148

Perhaps i phrased it wrongly,i never meant it to be any sort of demand.

Please understand RMT has and will always exist like in many other games . Im not alone in thinking this way
I am just insisting that bots are the main issue and also probably the best way to limit RMT

Sure i farm 6-8 hours daily and bots are decreasing my profits everyday till the point its almost not worth

#149
  • People leave the game because of bots, not RMT
#150

but bots exist because RMT :thinking:

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#151

It’s an endless circle

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#152

ninja’d x2 :relieved:

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#153

Don’t worry. Bots will stop farming when people stop buying from them and you can go back to your legitimate farming. What do you think is easier: banning gold seller accounts that will be remade in a matter or hours/days - or banning RMTers who buy from them? :triumph: It’s not like they just ignore bots and do nothing. Go check their ban list weekly. It’s full of bots but it’s a seemingly futile effort.

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#154

MMO creators have traditionally turned a blind-eye to RMT buyers, and I always thought that was a dumb move. Take away the demand and suddenly the supply is meaningless.

I applaud IMC for trying something. I hope it works.

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