i didn’t mean in that sense (something called irony), they should be illegal that’s why for me it doesn’t make sense, how the hell they created something god like in pvp while other classes are just…you know what i’m trying to say…
Sword 3 -> cata 3 for pvp, it’s been stated so many times on these forums already. This is why i don’t bother giving out advice here anymore, 90% of the time i’m just repeating myself and most of this you can find if u do a bit of searching
I watched a video guide that said peltasta into hop3 into dopple into dragoon is well rounded build good in both pve
and pvp lol. It was recent information at the time. Cant tell that its inaccurate at the time.
I like well rounded builds. Sword 3 is not really tbh its only good for pvp.
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This guys are silly xD Can’t understand that utility > damage numbers. What damage numbers, hey? In PvE ANY swordsman apart from Barb3-Doppel does basically no AoE => so it doesn’t matter AT ALL what dmg he does. In PvP no one gives a fk about your dmg as well cuz it’s melee. In ET any swordie combination apart from Pelt-Doppel is rather pointless to take, but then again, Swordies themselves are not needed in ET tbh. A lot of parties are doing ET without swordies.
Notion about hook lvl5 being enough is also hilarious. Have you tried to PvP with lvl5 hook? Or are u throwing ur hooks point blank and expect not to die… oh, stop, but u HAVE to throw them point blank cuz you can’t jump and shoot. Sry, I forgot xD Ofc, why use hook’s amazingly long range and stay out of harm’s way, repositioning yourself is someone tries to drop bombs at where u stand. You’re swordies! You just need to go in!
Btw, good luck going Cata3 if you are planning to participate in Guild Battles. And those suggested builds in azwraith post are like 60% garbage. Ranger 3 for fletcher, lmao. It’s a korean build, not a build for iTOS reality. CryoKino for PvP, casting rune of ice for 8 sec xD No wonder nobody wants you xD
I will proceed with “getting my corsair c3” xD Too bad I’m 279 lvl xD
Please speak up! I want to hear u deny the obvious even more.
Make a video of your corsair please.
Great, you doin 1v1 fights? Keep it up. Also, I realised you can’t beat Cata3, that’s the exact same reason why you won’t be able to beat ranged classes that are being played by anybody with a decent skill in kiting; mobility. Great job on killing the Archers. Druids win 1v1 due to high burst of Carnivory + mind control. PDs will win you because if they have Healing Factor and/or Stone Skin they can just AA you to death. The ones that you lost to are those that are slightly build/viable in PvP. Heck, even I can beat any PvE-build in 1v1 fights. Simply Hook and kill. Problem doesn’t lie there, as 1v1 means nothing. As for PvE, it really depends on whether the Fletchers are willing to use their skills as it expends arrows. Most Fletchers in grinding just use non-arrow using skills, like Ranger’s Barrage, etc. Cause they’re feelin’ cheapskate. Maybe once in a while pop one or two of those skills. And don’t wanna spam SP pots. Try out-dpsing a Ele3-WL. Or Wugushi Sappers who actually use venom/traps.
I’m tired of answering all (everybody’s) your questions/etc. Go ahead with your build, stick with your opinion, doesn’t affect me. Try GvG or 5v5 (if you’re in a guild). Not gonna be bothered to give anymore responses on this topic, I’ve shared my experience with it, if you don’t like it then you can stick to your own opinion, you’re entitled to it. Thanks.
As for @sttr413, this is my final response to you:
Yes, utility. Why pick you when there are OTHER classes that can do 3-5x better than you? Period. In PvE, doesn’t matter what damage he does, you said. EXACTLY. Swordies are only wanted for Taunt, and nothing else, and that itself is already broken, because you’re given 70% DPS CIRCLES and you’re only expected to TAUNT?
In PvP no one cares about your damage? Okay. You just AGREED with me on Swordies being trash in PvP, only utility is HOOK (not counting Cata3), which OTHER classes that DISABLE many more people at a go than YOU. I’m not gonna even argue with you on the pistol shot while hooked, it’s just retarded, everybody know the damage is crap, stop beating around the bush and going back to square 1 of saying your pistol shots actually making a significant difference. Hook is on a 25s cooldown assuming you hit it, Long Stride has a ONE MINUTE cool down, regardless you use it to jump on people OR to jump behind. Basically you’re only useful EVERY ONE MINUTE for disabling THREE TARGETS. Comparing to other classes that can chug out disables like drinking water. If you don’t see the logic in this, then please, by all means, go ahead and try applying for top PvP guilds, see if they would want your sorry Hook (and Pistol Shot). Even if you manage to get in, I hope they will find you useful.
And no, my Hook is lvl 10, not lvl 5, I don’t see where I mentioned lvl5 Hook. I said 5s less duration compared from a lvl10 Hook in Cor2 and Cor3 Lvl15 Hook, get your facts right.
As for ET, you ARE also AGREEING with me that Swordies are useless in ET. AKA, no viability in one of the end-game content (it’s where you get lvl220 lolopanther gears). For those who are into min-maxing, not being able to get the current end game gear is pretty meh.
As for my builds, have even you been to World Bosses? LOL. Actual experience bro, actual experience, don’t try to theory craft here, any one with proper experience will know you’re talking nonsense when you’re saying R3F3 is a ‘KOREAN BUILD’ and doesn’t work here. I think all the WB-ers will be laughing at your statement while they swim in their sea of silver & gears. CryoKino for PvP. I said CRYOKINO. Did I mention ANY RUNE CASTER? ROFLMAO. Please, stop embarassing yourself any further here. I assume you’re just one of those ‘professionals’ that read other people talking about PP+Ice Wall+RoI having very good burst damage, yada yada. Yes it is, but the setup to be prepared is not practical in PvP. Please, once again, stop embarassing yourself, get your facts right. People don’t want me because of the Corsair, not the CryoKino.
And yes, this will be my last response to you, I’ve had enough to stooping down to your level and arguing with you. You’re entitled to your opinion, so go ahead with your Cor3 and I hope you have fun out of it. Signing out.
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I’m a corsair2… going to doppel. I want to see videos about corsair3, there is so few of them =/
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This caught my eye. Can squires use [base camp] in ET?
I’m not sure, but base camp isn’t the skill for repairing right… ? Maybe you can ask other Squires who are doing ET atm, they would be able to give you a more accurate answer :S As far as I know, you can’t go out of ET and re-enter again, maybe I’m wrong. Lol
I’m winning my 1v1 fights too man… Except against Wizards with CC and Clerics with Stone Skins and Cata3 and Archers (who have a hint of PvP abilities) who know what they’re doing, that’s probably more than 50% of the population. It just depends on who you PICK to fight (also the videos that you PICK to show). That’s 1v1, it has no place in game right now, other than just for fun. Competitive-wise (GvG and Team League) it’s always 5v5 or more. Melees don’t really have the liberty to go in and kill stuff. You’d probably get killed before you reach them. That’s just how melees are in the game atm, due to imbalance. You can’t expect your team to cover you alone when you go in. Just not worth the trouble. They can’t even cover you if you wanted to, safety zone is static, heals are tiled. If you are depending on your team to CC for you while you go in and DPS, well other classes can do the same as you do, from afar. Maybe even better DPS. It’s just not what you think it is… But you’re welcome to try once your guild is up 
That’s why I said Cata3 is good for PvP, because of their insane mobility, they can run circles around the enemy and get away with it because it’s difficult to hit them, even with mouse controls…
In 1v1, Hook doesn’t need to land to secure kill, but if you are kited by a ranged character, without Pain Barrier (at Swordie1 it’s 15s duration with 39s CD, it runs out pretty fast when people know how to kite you properly) you can’t even sprint because getting hit would stagger you and basically you get kited to death. Of course, if you’re talking about a noob who just stands there and shoots at you, that’s a whole new different story then… Or if you’re fighting another non-Cata3 swordie then it’s a win for sure, I’ve won 95% of all my 1v1 matches with other Swordies that’s not Cata3. Archers that have low CON or no CON also have a high chance to die. Unless you’re fighting QS3 or those invi-1-hit-KO Musketeers and you missed your Hook.
As for PvE, Cathexis already mentioned by going Doppel at R7 you would get better DPS, if you feel you’re doing great at PvE then good for you, I went Dragoon. But, I would like to see a video of you getting cubes consistently from WB solo during half-peak or peak hours (at least more than 30 people competing for the cube), then I would agree with you that your build has indeed GREAT PvE. Not jabbing at you, but that’s my standard of great PvE, not only killing mobs, but able to bring great DPS to the table, competitively. Otherwise, I feel it’s just meh, as grinding mobs is only before you reach 280.
As for ET, with a great team, you would be able to reach lvl5 without much problems. But that’s not saying you made a great contribution to the team, more like everyone did 100% and you’d probably contributed 20%-50% (DPS-wise) because to reach ET lvl5 you’d really only need a total of 400% (just some numbers to give you a picture). You can see one of the videos of people clearing ET’s first level (that’s the DPS check level) with the Swordie just bashing stuff, not doing much DPS, since he’s a full CON tank. As for levels 2-4, you’re only needed to taunt stuff and run around until the timer/objective is done. Which can also be done by a Cryo3, with CC. As for the boss level 5, you can watch the video and see how a 80k Swordie gets his HP melted in a matter of less than 3 seconds, you’d know you better just leave the job to your DPS and just afk at the corner so you don’t die. Basically, you’re not really needed, many clear without Swordies, but none clear without Ele3/Chrono/Clerics atm.
Oh, and one more thing, in your videos, try to pick duels with peeps from the top PvP guilds in your server and not some random bypasser on the street… who knows it might be the poor guy’s first duel match. Those PvP guild people who have taken part in GvG at least once or twice would have at least some PvP experience and will mostly be at lvl 280. Not much credibility in proving a point if you’re battling some people who’s not even fully leveled yet…
Anyway, all the best in your fights and I’ll not reply mostly on this subject anymore, pretty much tired with all these things, you guys can take my word for it, or try it for yourself, but don’t say you’ve never been warned. I’ll still help out those who have general questions though.
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Hoping I might be able to hear from someone with some serious end-game experience. You mentioned standard builds are ok for casual players, so I think I’m in the clear but I figured I’d get your opinion. I’m not expecting to be competitive in WB or get into a serious ET party as the game stands now and I am a casual player in terms of how I play (I’m following the leveling guide but still tend to wander off to do optional quests, etc.)
Right now I’m level 130, went pelt1->hop2->cors1, planning to go cors2->shinobi. Not looking to PvP at all, just PvE, and in shinobi planning on just taking kunai and clones and saving the other 5 points to see what shinobi 2 will offer one day.
With that sort of build, do you think I will be able to get to 280 reasonably/get into grinding parties (I’m hoping having taken pelt will give people enough excuse to take me) and not want to kill myself along the way?
Also can you recommend a stat distribution? Originally I was doing 5:2:1 str, con, dex. I’ve changed it up since then and not really sure what way to go exactly to optimize my DPS.
Any advice appreciated! (also, there’s a good chance I might just try to make it to shinobi and then go back to working on my archer until/if IMC actually makes DPS swordies viable endgame).
Yes, you definitely will be welcome in grinding parties, due to Pelt1. In fact, Pelts are pretty much in demand nowadays (well, at least on my server anyway), compared to when I was leveling my Dragoon, because most people don’t play Swordies nowadays because of… well, Swordies (people have seemed to catch up on them). I seem to be noticing more people shouting LFM for Pelts more than Ele3 nowadays (when I was leveling Ele3 were the ones in demand). You bring a much wanted utility to the table, which is the ability to make mobs gather at one spot (and not having to go around auto attacking mobs to lure them over… it’s pretty tiring and time consuming), definitely great for grinding, especially in larger areas like Evac (lvl228+ grinding spot). IMO, to get the best experience per hour in grinding, a Pelt is definitely required. You can make do without one, but the experience is definitely slower in most cases. I did not notice this when I was the Pelt myself, but now, leveling my CryoKino, having a Pelt on the team just makes the whole thing much faster and less tiring (because most of the time I’m the one ending up having to lure the monsters over 
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As for stats, I’m not really sure, I heard Shinobi needs DEX (related to their skills or something)? If you do not take Shinobi’s DEX-related skills into the equiation, and if you’re just into PvE, then minimal DEX is required. Just enough to hit mobs, that’s all you need, also get up-to-date gloves, as they give accuracy. Though I’m not sure about the exact amount, that ratio is probably good enough. The rest you can pump into STR and some CON, so you don’t die as much later on. I’ve seen Swordies with like, 12-15k during grinding, they’re quite squishy. Try to aim maybe like 20k HP just to be comfortable (I have 33k HP after using Swash Buckling, 28k before, at lvl 280). Just to give you some numbers, there was this Fletcher who had only 8k HP in Storage (lvl 252+ grinding spot) and he kept dying cause the mobs hit for 4k+ per hit on him and he always get 2-shotted 
Ended up kicking him cause he wasn’t being a contribution to the party. I was using MDEF accessories back then, so I took a little less damage per hit, I think it was 2k-3k. Being the Pelt, you can expect to get hit a bit more than a few times. Hope this helps. You gotta check on that Shinobi and DEX thingy first though.
That’s awesome to hear, so I’m glad I took pelt1 after all lol
And thanks for the idea regarding HP amounts. While STR is my highest stat, I’ve definitely given some love to Con (and have noticed that I have nearly 4x the HP of some archers at my level) so it hasn’t been an issue yet, but it does give me an idea of the numbers to look for as I level up, And yea, I need to scour the shinobi thread a bit more, but from what I’ve heard, you don’t need to go too dex heavy to keep your clones alive (which apparently draw their HP from your dex) and since I have lvl 10 finestra, I don’t want to waste too much on dex when the extra str or con will be a better hcoice.
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Let’s just hope IMC does something about it… otherwise my Dragoon is now still lying on the shelf, a ‘trophy’ lvl 280 character, only log in that character to do daily dungeons 