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PC Gamer Review: 58/100 - "One nostalgia trip you might want to skip"

General Discussion
#104

I play this game from the Founders access. Now i am 132lvl and play every day about 3 hour. I like this game coz here a lot of fun, great Old Ragnarok Style and much of ppl, who love it.

So, Thanks 4 this game to IMC. And yes, No lags and any problems more then 1 week. It`s cool)

“One wrong move or one unfavorable balance update and all those hours invested in building my characters could be wasted.” - From PC Gamer

That is what I love about this game! Because there need brains. I remember how were things like in Ragnarok online. And You won’t believe each class would always playable. Of course the one that was made using the brain.

#105

People spend their time like they want, depending on their own values in life.
If you are playing any game you are already spending time in a certain way, If you don’t enjoy the game and talk about what you dislike all the time, then you really need to find a way to enjoy more life around you. Because god this is such a waste.

#106

i think thats me

yes the review PC Gamer gave is based on a new player perspective. if you want a game to be successful, you need the game to be appealing to the lowest of the low which are players who play it blindly with no information about it. if that kind of player thinks the game is fun after going to lv 100 then the game has a higher chance of being successful because it is appealing to new players or new to MMO players. you really cant attract new people if we have server instability, poor optimization and awful class balances. the game is like an investment, you dont know if the game will be fun or boring the longer you play it.

#107

Who the fck are you to tell me what games to play? I don’t care what others think, I’m enjoying the game thus far and there’s nothing you can do about it. You’re the type of guy who does everything his parents told him to. Don’t do this, don’t do that, you take this coarse lmao. I bet you’re still living in your parent’s house begging money from them because you can’t do sht on your own.

#108

The game itself is good. The bad part is the service provider/management. Most of their decisions are pretty bad like they never play the game themselves. 58/100 is really too high IMO.

#109

I love this game! it has problems, but I’m sure they will be resolved.

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#111

The score is probably applicable for early content, if the reviewer played the mid, later contents, he’d prob give it a lower score.

Though I agree with the reviewers statement:
“My journey through building my hero and grinding is one of confliction. Even while I might persist along that road, I’m not so sure I’d ever recommend you follow.”

I enjoyed the game when it works but not enough to recommend it to others :confused:

#112

I’m not painting the picture that IMC is a bunch of noobs, no.

Anyone who is capable of building a project with the scope of Tree of Savior, is anything but noobs.

However, it’s obvious to me that they’re short on money, and, with that, extremely short on man power.

I’m not sure, but this could explain why they’re making some mistakes. It’s a ■■■■■■■ huge project, it’s extremely easy to get lost at some point, or leave things overlooked.

Have you ever played a game that the first stages are glorious, but the game lose pace in the middle of the experience?

It’s the pressure that developers have while making the game - they have time constraints, money constraints, staff constraints. It’s not like they’re dumb, it’s more the like they have to give a good impression and shift their focus to the main selling point of the game, its impossible for a small company to deliver a polished game in every expect.

I’m a huge Nintendo fan, and i find most of Nintendo games about 80% perfect. Even Nintendo, lose track at some times, did you ever got yourself in boring quests in the middle of Zelda games, or boring stages at any Mario game?

This is exactly what i’m talking, you can’t give 100% attention to every piece of the game, and this attention is even less broad, more focused on few aspects as the staff shortens and the money drys out.

It’s not like they need guidance, but they need us to pinpoint, with some technical level, where are the core problems of the game.

I’m suffering from low optmization, server issues, game inbalance, however I find them extremely courageous to risk themselves with such a huge project.

I’m here to give my feedback, and to support them, because I want to see IMC delivering the potential of the game.

However, its obvious they’re short on people and money, thats why just whinning around isn’t making IMC any difference.

After my initial support, if they yet fail to fix things up, i’ll jump off the ship and come back to the game a year later, if it will be still up and running.

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#113

Sorry dude but we are not IMC’s shoulder to cry on. We have one job as a consumer, like or dislike their product.

#114

You’re free to dislike anything you want.

But crying out loud that the game sucks, won’t do anything.

I’ll repeat myself- just quit.

If you fail to give a proper feedback to help them, why in the hell you’re wasting your time to say redundant, useless things?

Players aren’t dumb, they’re capable enough to judge if the game is bad enough to be unplayabe, or still being fun to play despite many issues (like me.)

If you want to prevent players from playing Tree of Savior, why you don’t be the first to do so? Just leave bro, nobody needs you to tell them if the game is bad or not.

The game is not bad, it have many flaws and issues, but it’s not bad. If its bad enough for you, congratz, others players will reach the same judgement and they’ll just quit, as a normal people who values their free time would do.

Customers that fails to give proper feedback, cry the hell out the game is bad but still keeps playing, are nobody but piece of dust. What real customers do is to vote with their pockets - if you stop to consume their products, they’ll need to do something to bring back players.

You can either help them to guide what is wrong, or just be a random guy whinning like a little kid because the lolipop you bought doesn’t taste good.

#115

I’m not painting the picture that IMC is a bunch of noobs, no.

Anyone who is capable of building a project with the scope of Tree of Savior, is anything but noobs.

Noobs are the ones that makes mistakes which pros know how to avoid, game is 75% mistakes. They are at least 75% noob.

Game is not even a technical challenge, there is nothing innovative here, only poorly applied known stuff.

That being said, the gaming industry is at best a few decades old, but it’s composed mainly by noobs at the industry. There are VERY FEW PROS.

ToS has about a year to fix everything, or they’ll be quickly forgotten.

#116

The feedback has been given. Over and over again, spread across this [horrendously poor] forum. Since CBT, countless threads with thoughtful posts to the letter of what IMC would need to fix certain issues, and nothing to show for it.

They made their bed already, so they most certainly will sleep in it.

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#117

I disagree. The controller works awesome, which leads me to think they developed it around the damn thing, since mouse sucks thanks to tiny target boxes under mobs (in their shadows…), clickable pets that get in the way or force-disengage your target if they pass through it, not being able to click on Orsha’s goddess statue when people are in front of it because they didn’t use the same model from Kl…kl…■■■■ that other place.

Overall it’s great for single targets that aren’t already moving, but in dungeons it’s an absolute nightmare…all you see is 2 archers running around trying to target something but can’t because other players or their attacks are hiding the clickbox. :expressionless:

#118

not really… i played ragnarok before, and the basic is all there… it’s just have a different shape and theme… i think

#119

Its your opinion.

However I strongly disagree with that. 75%?

Most of the issues of the game will be fixed up eventually, most of them are related to datacenters (hosts of severs), policies (Trade, TP shop, prices), game balance.

For me, the most aggravating problem that will take a lot of time to fix is the game optmization. This alone can’t be considered 75%.

Yes, the game is not innovative, neither a technical marvel to be dealt with. However, did you ever saw any game that plays like Tree of Savior?

Most of huge companies are doing more of the same, sequelations of the same bullshit ever, I feel in the need to support anyone who try to stand up and take such high risk.

Try to understand it’s not a matter of being noobs, but a matter of lacking money and man power.

You can be the best programmer of the world, but you can’t do anything like Tree of Savior all alone.

#120

The review highlighted some pretty important points such as server stability and optimization.

However, the gameplay aspect of the game clearly did not appeal to this particular individual. He seems to be much more of a “hold my hand” sorta guy. Otherwise he would have done his research, planned his builds and leveled accordingly, but clearly that was beyond his mental and physical capacity.

Each and every individual will have their own opinion of the game, whether we like it or not, some people will hate it and some will love it.

I just think people need to take reviews with a grain of salt nowadays, because this guy clearly did not understand how to play properly, nor did he had the time or patience for such things.

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#121

I was going to skip this thread, since is just another the world is going to end in they year 2000 according to the mayan calander or w.e, but one hour random maintenance.

The review is nothing more than the opinion of those that dont take the time to research what the game is about and follow the hype wagon. Guy is mentioning a lot of things that are “Personal Preference”. I think people are a little confuse with what a real claim about a product is and their personal opinion about what a real claim to a product is.

-Problems about the game design is a personal preference, what you see as bad design others might find awesome. Also on this point goes the fact that “you the doomsayers” claim that if the design was X it would be a more successful game (you have zero proof that would be the case).

If im a white knight, i think this one goes with you my man

#122

I’m not ready to give up on this game yet. It’s only been a week since F2P. There are other games that I’ve given FAR too much patience to, for a year or longer. When you begin to see bad patterns from devs for THAT long, then you know it’s time to bail for good because it’s obvious nothing is going to change.

#123

This forums are so garbage… why we dont get different pages and we get all the responses 1 one go?, who the ■■■■ thought that was a good idea?..

About the Grind and the uforgiving class system…

So they are complaining about the game being unforgiving if you mess up your build an they give a lower score for this…

BUT somehow another unforgiving game called PATH OF ■■■■■■■ EXILE got a 84 and i dont think they complained about that:

http://www.pcgamer.com/path-of-exile-review/

Now… i agree that this game current state is garbage… the biggest ■■■■■■■ problems are the PING and the lack of OPTIMIZATION, something that is not even mentioned in this review… he complains a bit about the servers but thats it.

The true ■■■■■■■ problems are not even mentioned… like the ■■■■■■■ goldspammers destroying your fps in towns, or how some skills crash the game or how you can get a ■■■■■■■ blue screen just by playing this… so bassically this game could potentially kill your hardware and yeah i ahve experienced this myself, and no, its not my pc.