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PC Gamer Review: 58/100 - "One nostalgia trip you might want to skip"

General Discussion
#157

Good luck at waiting the improvement. Even a decent game company knows it is crucial to communicate with their players, but so far I haven’t heard any game improvement update news. All they have done is, " Hei, players. We are going to perform maintenance today, thanks for your patience".

Furthermore, their maintenance is basically a joke. No major improvement in server stability, no server crash fix, no fix to random FPS drop since Early Access. I don’t see this game is going anywhere.

Instead of keeping the most potential customers - early access players, they put more focus on F2P players who are still unknown income source to them. Whoever the marketing manager is, he / she just failed a big time.

#158

Ragnarok comes from old times.

Here in Brazil, Ragnarok was published by Level Up. It was a massive sucess - but like i’ve said, it was old times.

There wasn’t anything like RO back then, and what happened is what the story tells.

It seems you fail completely to understant that RO is not ToS, and ToS is not RO

How can’t you guys see that the game is completely different, coded from the scratch, that only happens to have a similar art style?

It’s the same as telling people that building a Ferrari should be easy as building 1.0 50 HP street car, just because they share the same concept of 4 wheels method of transport.

#159

Sorry but…I’m not waiting for improvment, because i’m enjoying the game right now, despite the huge flaws.

I’ll not wait for anything, i’ll be here untill I have fun playing the game. When I find the game is not worth for me anymore, i’ll just leave another, constructive feedback, then leave.

Sorry for those who can’t have fun. But me and lots of my friends, can.

#160

Your analogy makes absolutely no sense. Ragnarok Online was also coded from scratch.

Kim Hakkyu created both Ragnarok Online and Tree of Savior.

This isn’t comparing a Ferrari to a Street Car.

#161

Ignoring the Nexon talk.

Ragnarok Online came out at the end of 2002. Comparing the era of MMORPG back then to now is absolutely ludicrous. Not to mention less than 3 years after RO came out in Korea the majority shareholders sold their shares to japanese comapnied.

Ragnarok is the only project Gravity managed to release before being owned by far larger companies. It also did not publish the game in every single region. iRO did not have split servers for EU/SEA/SA. When it came out it was P2P and had Loki + Chaos and then Sakray test server.

Kim Hakkyu left Gravity in the same exact year that RO came out. You people really need to drop this ToS = RO thing.

#162

So, you think that the tecnology involved into RO development is the same as ToS? Wew, after that, i’ll just leave this discussion. It’s not me who is whinning, its you guys. I’m having fun in the game, sadly, its you guys that isn’t having any.

He was the creator, not the developer

It was him who designed, not coded

The analogy remains the same, I can design either a Ferrari or a Street car, but i can’t demand the same people that builds a street car, to build a Ferrari with the same aumont of people and tools in the same time frame, while maintaning the same cost. Thats absurd, its apples and oranges.

#163

If I can’t trust you as a player to point out the flaws it has now in favor of defending IMC’s every move due to victimization, I don’t trust you to do it in the future when it gets so bad the game isn’t fun for you.

#164

That is my point You would think after 14 years, they would have gotten much better at this, but nope. It has actually become worse.

Yes, the technology should definitely be better after 14 years man.

That’s like saying Hideo Kojima, the creator of Metal Gear Solid didn’t code it lol. It doesn’t matter. When you have ideas you can just hire people to do the coding and work for you. That is the point of a company.

#165

Yeah, thats ludicrous. He must be living under a rock, or like i’ve said, inside of a bubble.

It’s clear that whiners doesn’t have a grasp about game development.

#166

I love it when ppl say this to me. I’m a 3D graphics modeler and have designed my own video game models. My gf is a software engineer and has worked on Unreal Engine 4. We know how game development works. I think you’re the one who clearly doesn’t understand this.

If you want to use personal attacks and assumptions then go right on ahead. You’re just a clueless moron who thinks everyone should uninstall the game because they don’t agree with you. You’re a narrow minded idiot and the more I rip your retarded argument apart, the more desperate you look.

#167

What sort of logic are you trying to impose here?

The only thing Gravity and IMC have in common is Kim Hakkyu. Who is getting better at what?

Since for some ridiculous reason you brought up Hideo Kojima. Do you realize Hideo Kojima was an employee in a billion dollar company and that MGSV had a near 100 million dollar budget?

You cannot compare that to IMC. IMC being a subsidiary to HanbitSoft.

#168

Man, just quit. You don’t know a ■■■■ about system development.

You can have the best technology ever, but it still not the same. It’s completely different. Engines extremely different, core mechanics, networking, ah, so different.

Also, its not gravity who is developping ToS. I believe its IMC, right? What RO and ToS shares is the director, not the programmers, musicians, artists, designers, etc.

Not only different - its not a matter of hiring. Can you hire someone if you don’t have money to pay? No you cant.

What you need to hire someone? Money. That is IMC right now.

keep whinning, perhaps you guys thinks there is a button labeled [Make a perfect game] that just requires people to click on it.

#169

c’mon man just quit the game if you dont like the company, the gameplay and everything else, just quit and don’t post your spam in forum, I just flag every post from you

#170

Time to wake up to the reality tho. You realize that they’re blowing most of their budget on Wolfknights Online?

They have the funds, they have the development power, yet they choose to divert all their attention on another game just so they can compete with Blade and Soul. What else excuse are you going to use now?

The Hideo Kojima comparison was used because you don’t need to be a game programmer to develop video games. Hideo Kojima, Keiji Inafune, Kim Hakkyu or whoever just oversees the development of the games. They are called video game directors/producers for a reason.

#171

I mean if its was really garbage you wouldn’t be here. . . .

#172

Compete with Blade and Soul? Do you read the things you type before you type them? Is this a joke?

All three of those names you mentioned all have had or have a vastly different set of “tools” to use so to speak.

Last I checked KToS is still getting updated. Yeah this launch was screwed up but that is something else entirely that you are not arguing for.

#173

As I stated many times, we are on the forum, so IMC might fix the problems. Yes, it’s a garbage now but that doesn’t mean that I don’t want this game to be successful.

Also, I supprted the developers with money, and I didn’t support this but what I saw in iCBT 2!

If IMC wouldn’t scam us with the iCBT2 , where AH was working, players could trade and **actually was superior to the current game in every way…**trust me…I wouldn’t pay for that garbage.

Also, I’m a customer, I have the right to complain. The game is garbage right now…deal with it.

Mixed review, bad review…there is no positive review anywhere. That means it’s a garbage. As I said… I like some of it, I have fun here and there…but that doesn’t mean that I don’t see the flaws.

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#174

Smart people leave the game if they do think like that, unfortunately you dont have one. I said that as fact instead of opinion.

#175

Point of your post? I said steam reviews are far more worrying to me, besides the obvious trashy ones. That goes both ways (best game evah! or omg worst game eva!)
Try again? I’m sure you can do better.
Oh wait I saw your post history, nvm.

#176

Can’t tell if dedicated player or closet masochist. Either way carry on.