Open World PK and Jail system

[AkaiKiseki]

You are doing it right.

[HitSleeper]

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I laughed so hard.
Wow dude just wow. I can’t even this is hilariously dumb.

[rofldat]

All games with PKs never really get into that good guys vs bad guys.

The majority always fall into “let’s ruin other people’s day FOR LULZ” and “let’s bully people because we aren’t good enough for arena PvP” or for larger guilds, at some point it stops being real guild war and basically enlarge version of the previous cases aka zergfest and see which side have the bigger zergs.

Not to mention you can have the most ‘fair’ system you want, but as long as some ‘unfair’ fights are allowed, you’ve already incur negative emotion into your playerbase. Repeat for a while and you get typical MOBA forums with all the toxicity.

[Gregory_Gawaran]

You must have never played Ultima Online, guild would be created for good and evil. Bounties would be put on people and these guild would actively traverse areas that were being plagued with evil people. Like some have mentioned people are to care bared now a days. In UO you had to not carry everything you owned on you and always had to have eye in the back of your head whenever someone would start to just follow you for no apparent reason.

[MeteorD]

The problem with WoW is that they have both system (PK and Arena & Battlefields and such)

Having both OWPvP and Arena isn’t a problem, since they’re two seperate things. That’s like comparing boss fights with general PvE farming, the appeal isn’t the same whatsoever.

Actually, killing a game simply by encouraging (lol, encou-RAGING) players to hate each other IS a real problem. It means that you are having fun and making someone else upset, you know that right ?Should I add that since it’s PKing, you can’t balance it (lvl gap, no rank (no balanced rank would be more accurate), etc etc). If you are relying on devs impossibility to balance a potential PK mode to have fun, you should feel bad. Really bad.

Players killing eachother creates drama. Ganking some player from a guild means a situation like that is setup, which is far more engaging than any seasonal event will ever be due to players having personal motives. Making people upset isn’t a downside in OWPvP, I don’t understand how you wouldn’t realize this. One of the best things about it is that you can get people upset, since it means being invested in the situation and gives oppritunities for you to get back at them. The only time being upset is a bad thing is for players who don’t even try to do at least that.

Should I add that since it’s PKing, you can’t balance it (lvl gap, no rank (no balanced rank would be more accurate), etc etc). If you are relying on devs impossibility to balance a potential PK mode to have fun, you should feel bad. Really bad.

It doesn’t need balancing since if the reward from killing low-level players isn’t high enough, then it’s going to occur less. The only ones participating in actions like that are at far greater danger than the ones getting PK’d.

Actually it is, making a dedicated server (less for channels, I must admit it) for PvP or PK is quite expensive, and bring a separation in the community.

You were describing it as toxic behavior, which means the only ones who would participate in it would be people you don’t like in the first place. It’s not seperating the community at all, in fact it’s just satisfying every part of it rather than dismissing it entirely.

Hm. They are going in big enough parties to hunt down alone/fiewer players group I guess. Are the odds to find a group with a mumber of players, gear, lvl close enough actually high ? As you can see, unbalanced.Ofc it’s the way it should be if the game was “real”, and it would be so much better then just tagging in city and waiting for a fight… But we are in a game, not reality… And you know what I will say next, you know the music (unbalanced => hate => no fun for someone, etc etc), so let me add something.

What the hell does this even mean? What’s the problem with players organizing themselves towards a goal? If they want to party up on a PvP server/channel/whatever to take out players then more power to them, they clearly care about this more than the ones who’re managing to get PK’d since they aren’t putting in an equivalent effort.

I’m a support player, and playing this role (healing, protecting, controling the ennemies, things like that) is what I prefer in PvP (in 5v5 Arenas, Battlefields,etc etc and ofc in PVE). So yes, I don’t like PKing. Not PvP.

I also play primarily support, and having a support player in an OWPvP party means having an edge over non-organized players already. The possibility of being ganked has never invalidated the potential that non-DPS have.

[igneon_vidal]

Bounty Hunter system seens great, together with a system where the Pk also get something from doing it. Something that will insensitive pk (it makes a little to much hardcore I know) like PKpoints where u can trade for something, and on the other side honor-points for killing pk and bounty Hunter quests, and pk be just available in some areas up to x level or something.
I like the notorious system, like the L2 where you walking happily and spot someone with a red name and u just start running away from it, it’s fun.

[cosx774]

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[SrPam]

I will tell my experience with a OWPvP:

I was playing Aion, I am the normal quest seeker player who likes to make crafting and go around the world freely (something that ToS says is gonna encourage). I was with my little character recolecting things for a quest when from nowhere I lost 50% of my health: I was confused, I used my teleportation skill just to get a perspective; maybe I was being attacked by a monster I didn’t notice… I was never more wrong there was her: A little BITCH who with no reason started to cast magic versus me. I started to run, my life was in danger! I was, like always, a full support character I knew I won’t be able to kill her, but with some strategy I won’t get killed. I ran without looking back, after 1 minute I stopped; but then another skill hit me THAT BITCH, she won’t let me leave. What’s worst? She wasn’t alone, there was another girl in party with her that also was after me after some time.

The chase began, I was running for 30 minutes straight without knowing what to do(healing and teleporting everytime I could); I never imagined that a player could hit me because NEVER happened to me before in the game. I became an achievement for this girl; I told her to stop, but she was running at the same speed that me. It was boring, it was frustrating, I couldn’t do anything until my friend conneced (by chance) and told me that they couldn’t hit me if I went near a Safe Point. I ran to the Point, but she still followed me. I decided to disconnect it was not fair, I was something like lvl 28 and she 34; I lost my time.

You could say:
-Just let her kill you; just no, I have my own pride and if I didn’t want to fight then I don’t see why I must be killed.
-You could have know that the map was PvP; well, maybe but I am not interested in that kind of stuff so I never searched for it, It never happened to me before and my quests were pushing me to that field. Also I was a total newbie, I only played the game because 3 friends wanted to try it.
-You could have asked someone; everybody ignored me, they were like me making their own quests and had the same or less level than me so they just walked away.
-It was just bad luck; I was attacked 5 times more like this in the next 20 lvls, but the more lvls I got the more stupid easy I found myself dying to an asssasin or full equiped (equip to kill people) warrior without time to react or make something against it.

Tl;DR:

1. Open World PvP is gonna be frustrating for those who aren’t familiar with the system
2. Even with lvl restrictions, people ain’t stupid; the PK usually kill someone after his victim is low or fighting other monsters so you ca’t react with full power to the attack.
3. Get PK points for making other people suffer; Against it at 100%
4. Get PK point for “protecting” the victims, almost impossible without the 3rd point being activated so against it.
5. But there is people who like it; there is always someone who can get fun with this; but when everyone is getting killed in low levels, when they reach the high leves they will want revenge becoming usually also PK.

PvP places? an arena? little PvP games? Yes please! People will be PREPARED for these, they won’t get caught making other tasks, they will choose special builds for this, they will ask for it. WoE style? Awesome, add more strategie to the place; but please don’t make the OWPvP a thing.

[Narue]

@SrPam Nah, PvP channel with bonus EXP for added risk.

[SrPam]

I was only answering the Open World in all the server, but I wouldn’t want a channel for only PvP neither; I prefer the money being used to improve the original channel.

[MeteorD]

That’s ridiculous, a PvP channel wouldn’t be nearly costly enough to take up enough resources to improve general player experiences more than serving a niche.

[SrPam]

<-Sorry bad english speaker here XD I will add more info about the last post:

-PvP can be easily “balanced” when you can have a “Mode” in wich certain skills can be nerfed or limited. (Ro in Woe had restrictions, also other PvP modes in many games).
-If you make a full PvP channel every “balance” must be done affecting the PvE and PvP experience. Thus making it harder to balance.
-Harder to make = More resources used and effort that could be used in other areas.

That was what I was refering when I said it could take money (because at some point every resource is money) from the general improvement of the game.

[MeteorD]

Ah, that makes more sense. Honestly that’s not too much of a worry however, since the only changes necessary in OWPvP would be how skills affect other players rather than complete reworks like they do sometimes for regular PvP. Nobody who’s going into a PvP channel is going to expect it to be fully balanced, especially with ganking involved which’ll result in that regardless of how they try and balance it.

[igneon_vidal]

Lol man… Aion is a full pvp game, they heavily reward killing ppl from the other faction, the pvp starts at lv 18, this much is basic that ever the map show you where the rift(way to invade) is located and there are quest to kill the enemy faction.
The enemy faction can’t read what you write, and she as just doing her quest too lol.
The OWPvp WILL bring some hardships doesn’t matter the way you put it, but not something that will destroy your game experience.

[igneon_vidal]

For ToS game style I believe a full open world pvp is kinda hard to apply, the pvp channel may be a way but… I think that some maps been pvp enable are more realistic, with duels, arena (that 5x5 or 3x3) and siege for GvG as the PvP mode

[Cat_Black]

This is what I have been talking about.

And some people thought I was being ridiculous. Yet, here someone comes to testify. =P

[kkanes77]

A jail system would be nice and fun.

A dungeon would be a nice jail… c:

[Edoinkun]

i say no to pk i dont mind pvp but not pking casue there are always people who will bully and just go around killing low lvls regardless of punishment system

[rofldat]

You can man up and fight people in PvP who’s also looking to PvP, instead of ganking people who just want to PvE?

[and_rea]

It ain’t happen, people wants a map for ganking, didn’t you realized that
They call it PvP but killing lowbies it is properly called “ganking”.

Anyway, if it is a separate map dedicated to the scope, I see nothing bad to have that. But NO exp there. If you want have fun with your so-called PvP, that’s enough, but on top of that, also get exp (and with bonus, too!), sorry, no.

Imo the serious PvP is done in arena, where you most likely meet people in your league. PK “noobs” and lowbies is no fun to me, my fun is when I get the kill AND risking my ass for it.