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No one need you if you are not a Peltasta

Class and Rank Swordsman
#181

I agree with you, that taking peltast 1 is not the hardest thing to do, but still makes builds with highlander, swordsman c2,c3 useless. Real tank builds with all the magic mobs around? Real tank builds will be worthwhile after magic gets nerfed, because right now is broken.

Dragoon numbers may look great, but they won’t scale with anything, unlike Musketeer/Cannoneer skills that have 400%, 300%.

All I want is two different branches in swordsman tree. DPS and Tanks.

DPS can do plenty of damage to be worth a spot in the party.

Tanks will do their jobs with Taunt, block, etc.

Right now, we have only one kind of swordsman: Peltast. (That’s all people care about.). I may sound extreme, but just look at the forums… They don’t care if you’re a Fencer, Dragoon, Doppel, Templar, Squire.

If this is the right way swordsman should work, they could make swordsman tree linear, with only tanks.

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#182

I mean a large aoe to pull in dispersed monsters.

#183

Swordman has the possibility to go tank/support - party oriented -, tanky dps - solo oriented -, or any flavor of hybrid of those two you want. If you want a party oriented dps, go for an archer or wizard.

Why should Swordman be able to build for all archetypes? That is not something the other classes can do either - actually tanking is a role unique to Swordmen class.

and @Remlocke

You are contradicting yourself. Basically you want Swordman to get a taunt like peltasta, but you don’t want to articulate it, because you KNOW it is unreasonable…

#184

Maybe swapping provoke attribute and aoe taunt :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: those who interested wit tanking get to hold aggro that tank should be.

#185

Hmm, i don’t think swordsman has all this flavors you mentioned.

The way the class was designed, just by looking at the classes are kind of simple: DPS / Tank. Just take a look there, and you will see. No support.

Wizards fill the role of DPS/Supports and they fill their roles very well.

Clerics fill their roles as DPS/Supports/Healers 20x times better than swordsman.

Archers have one role DPS. (That’s wrong, i think IMC could change this).

#186

Am I talking to a Psycokino?
Anyway they could do something like grant pain barrier an aoe voke attribute that adds cooldown to the skill.

That way everyswordsman has something, with pelts just having more.

#187

Squire 2/3 brings huge partybuffs, also got mobile repair and dmg buff from rank1 on.
Rodelero has several types of debuffs, including stat scrambling, strike dmg increase, def decrease.
Doppel increases xp/loot by 100% on only 1min cooldown.
Templar.
Corsair increases money gain in grind parties.

None of that are as flashy as a linker would be, or as much a “basic necessity” as a clerics heal. But they are unique and strong and enable you to make your own unique Swordman build.

Really, the only thing to keep in mind is that Swordman won’t be able to keep up as dps in a group and you will have a good time.

#188

Pain barrier is already a great skill though. And I don’t get what this is supposed to achieve. Solo builds will still not be wanted for parties. Because they are solo builds.

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#189

Hahaha. Swordsman have it easy levelimg to 200? Who the ■■■■ has a hard time?

I rerolled a linker chrono and i am leveling it faster then my swordsman because instances take 1\3 of the time. Otherwise it is all questing.

Eaiser leveling my ass, sprint makes you run faster but past lvl 100 swordsman dps allready sucks compares to the builds people are using on their alts now.

#190

Haha
People salty, because they never consider they need support skills on the long run. Bigger numbers is seems the only consideration - the me me me syndrome of some sort

Peltesta 1 is small investment compared to people that took Chrono 3 on wizard or fellow swordman that go squire, which pain in the neck when they have to go solo.

#191

Siauliai Level 220 ~ 230 Solo… Just uploaded a few minutes ago

#192

This video proves nothing, you are fighting one of the most easiest bosses in the game and they all do physical damage which can be dodged with evasion. Anyone with good ping can solo this mission in a timely manner.

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#193

I can perform something similar to that as a fencer. You are using pierce, which 3 out of 4 bosses there are weak against. Also most of their attacks are evade-able by simply moving away with a few exceptions: roar, weird tree body slam, etc.

tbh a high level necroventer might be more challenging than having to face mole and poata at the same time.

it’s not a bad play at all, but it just shows how easy the siauliai mission is.

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#194

True… the tree boss is definately weak against piercing attacks, but the purpose wasn’t about the solo, it was more about the dmg im taking, and the guy I quoted said I was talking complete BS about taking 500 ~ 1k dmg off that boss compared to someone wearing a shield

Peltatsa don’t need a bulky shield nor CON to tank at all

#195

oh right, forgot to check who you were replying to. without a shield against those bosses I do get about 300-500 damage. with shield <400, so yours is pretty accurate. the problem mostly is the stupid feature where we as tanks/melee receive about 5x(??) more damage when we are 10 levels or more under.

#196

No, what I said was complete ‘BS’ was you saying you take 500-1k damage when all the other tanks are taking 5k damage, which is still BS. Good job soloing one of the easiest bosses in the game with a bunch of buffs from other people though. That still doesn’t make what you said any less of a lie.

#197

IKR that boss really was easy… But I can kill other bosses too.

#198

My two cents, from another thread with the same topic.

Swordsman
Highlander
Barbarian
Cataphract
Hoplite
Doppelsöldner
Dragoon
Shinobi
Fencer

Now tell me, how is one of these classes a tank in the slightest?
There is a reason why there are different classes you know?

There are Support-Mages, there are DPS-Clerics and Utility-Archers.
If every Swordsman was supposed to be a tank, all these listed classes above wouldn’t / shouldn’t exist.

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#199

That 1rank into peltasta will kill the best pvp swordsman builds tho.

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#200

That’s nice. I’m still looking for that magic 90% damage mitigation that you magically possess that apparently no other tanks do though.

I have to disagree. A 100% uptime 25% HP buff alone is ridiculously helpful in PvP, especially with a base HP as high as Swordsman. Yes, you’re going to lose a circle in something else, but it’s definitely not going to ‘kill’ most builds. I find it really hard to justify not taking pelstata for that buff alone.

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