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No more PVP content please Tree of Savior are not Ready for this!

yea its easy, u haven’t done that before? lol

the analogy isnt there though, u dont need borutas gear for velcoffer ya dunce

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I stop doing TBL since R8 release
Players were crashing channel to reach +40 up enhancement and these almost unrealistic upgrades making the gap in PVP so huge
Even with they lower the effectiveness of enhancement now, the gap is still an issue, your only choice of top eq now is velco with ichor with T10.
Time and silver should be rewarded but not to a point that become a must. The gap between equipment have to bring closer so that players skills matter the most. Or at least there should be multiple way of reaching eq that are closer to bis

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hmm right now in NA tbl, not many people even use+20 and above gear. atn most people have +11 - +16 and theres a person running around with +11 t7 unique raid/primus wep and is doing well.

for tbl the main thing is class builds and what decisions you make before/during the battle.

Stopping core parking to affect performance and setting high priority to a process helps, but it isn’t nearly enough. Especially on world bosses, gemstone field and any other type of content that has a lot of players in the same place. Config stuff like low mode and vsync didn’t help that much either.

IMC’s previous optimization patches helped significantly. Back in 2016 the game was way slower and less efficient. Now they are hoping to fix the abrupt spikes that happen here and there by avoiding rendering everything beforehand. The progress is slow most likely due to the poor designed engine. It is something. But in no way invalidates that this is solely their fault, not the players’. And yet, low fps/spikes is not the only problem. This game’s netcode is terrible and a lot of desync/lag problems happen frequently. Gemstone for one is a huge mess of weird, new bugs all the time. There are also crashes, deadlocks, the list goes on. And there’s not much we can do about it either.

Also, your TLDR is very confusing, OP is right to call you on that. You said things like “make ToS moba”, how did you reach this conclusion? People are complaining about the lack of optimization and balance, no one said anything about turning the whole game into matches between players. I’m not really sure what you’re trying to say on second and third topics but it seems you’re mocking people who don’t like PvP saying they want things effortlessly and that’s just a lie. People want to earn their stuff in PvE modes as well, not being forced to play PvP in the first place. This is not the TLDR of this topic at all.

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If that’s the case, at least TBL is playable
But the lag in feud, WB still killing the PVP content in TOS, and not to mention the zerging in boruta
pvp focus build should really put perform pve build in pvp content and I don’t think it is possible to have all build equally viable between pve and pvp but the balance between each class tree pvp focus build are still needing fix

1 “Please stop bringing player vs player content”
Pls kill the game, force everyone to just do velcoffer and slowly become “tree of speedruning”. There’s no end game content who actually present some dificult for the players, Velcoffer can be do it with 350 primus plate armor trans 4 easily.

2 “equipment with this anvil upgrade system, which has generated a lot of imbalance”
Since rebuild, refine dosn’t matter, if you can get a weapon +11 is enought, trying to get +21 or more is a waste of silver/luck. Trans is the only important thing here.

3"due to some hacks in the enhancement system"
KEK… did you got any prove? I read your thread supper scared about one guy with a +32 weapon… wow for sure he’s a cheater. I don’t have any prove, i never meet this guy… but i’m sure he’s actually using hacks.
One player of paradise named “arkantos” got a velco rod +29, & i’m totally sure he got legally, wanna know why? because he selling more than 10 velco weapons +7 / +8 with 1 or 2 potential left. Before he get this rod, he trying A LOT of rod more. He totally deserve his weapon.

4 “We have struggled with unstable servers for years”
Agree.

5 “Some classes need rework”
Agree.

6 “Plague Doctor”
Read KToS General Thread v4.0 nerf incoming.

7 “Murmilo + Retiarus”
Disagree, i’ll not saying this is a low tier class, but there’re better swordies than this. (Lancer, Pelta).

8 “Due to various points, some ancient guilds monopolize these massive pvp systems”
Guild who actually monopolize this systems, are bigger/mercenary guilds. Paradise have various overgeared players, but they win boruta because they can “camp” all respawns & hitting boruta at the same time. Quantity allways be better than quality. I don’t have any problem with this, all guilds are allowed to do the same.

9 “The solution would be to”
Recruit more players, and gear up to be able to confront this guilds, meanwhile git gud.

and last.

10 “wins who has a guild full of player old times wins”
Welcome to every MMORPG ever.

PS: i never see you on TBL, Boruta, or something. But i’m talking from my experience on boruta, tbl & gemstone. And im rly far away to be overgeared.

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My Rod is +24, and yes, you are right, not worth trying to enhance anymore, I only did because I was saving diamond anvils for almost 2 years, but It costed more than 1Bi worth of diamonds on that Rod (not counting all the other weapons that failed miserably), totally not worth the cost. +11 weapon is more than enough for any PvP/PvE content, +16 is luxury for the glow effect only.
I don’t mind if they change TBL to standard gear so even very undergeared people can participate, as long as they don’t touch other PvP content, I am investing on gear for a reason.
As for OP, I never saw his nickname ingame, I don’t think he participate in any endgame content or pvp content but I always see him complaining here on the forum or reporting people for reasons that he make up on his mind.

I am sort of agree and disagree on standardised equipment.

I think IMC could implement some sort of cap or restriction in equipment. Capping transcend/enhance to a certain effective level or reduce certain effect from equipment in pvp environment. just an example capping at let say +11 T8, my +16 T10 will become same value as a +11T8 in pvp, but return to it original+16T10 in PVE content. This would narrow the gap between new players and old players in TBL and also making those hxxk64 type of hack useless in TBL.

Feud is more the performance and lag issue

Boruta is a mess before it even introduced

There used to be a nerf on trans/enhance on TBL of 30%? I don’t remember exactly. I don’t think it’s needed anymore, not that hard to upgrade your weapon like it used to be. What about hacking in TBL, do you have any vídeos?
Overall they need to improve their server, balancing is worth nothing if we can’t play properly.

I am not aware the 30% nerf, as I took a break just before R8 introduced and only return, when re:build introduce. However, I think it is a good idea to make gap between different gear progression players closer

The hxxk64 “was” a very hot topic back in my time, I heard it got block now. Can’t give you too much detail otherwise I will be bad for advertising hack. What it does was it allow equipping main equipment in multiple slot and crashing channel, there were +40 up or even +60 up with full potential. It took IMC many months to finally find a solution to it but the whole community was already damage, anyway that’s side story. The other reason I think a hard cap would be good is that if these kind of hack appear again, the hard cap might able to prevent further damaging the already small TBL community

I assure you that I’m still playing. But after denouncing suspected players here in the forum, my life has become hell inside the game, and I just could not play in peace, so I’m playing with a new identity that I will not reveal. Incidentally, you do not have to worry about seeing me in the game, because I have no bond with you. Posting here in the Forum is a right for every player, and you are not any authority that I need to be seen by you before posting anything here. To be honest, I am absolutely sure that all your guild should do, or already made illegal use of enhancement and other bugs, in Silute your guild is badly spoken and hated, and even if your guild comes here to rebate it, it is fame that you have in Silute, the fame of being a cheating guild…

A: As I mentioned here, the problem is not the PVP modality, but unbalance of classes, equipment hacked by anvils, servers without stability and that do not carry the pvp in bulk without generating lag and disconnections. Is it so difficult to understand?

A: Although everyone says that the refinement does not count much, the damage of the weapon increases yes, and this difference of damage, is in the weapon for who wants to see. A guy trans10 + gear + 3x enhancement, will be stronger than a trans + 10 + gear + 16 enhancement. You say that there is no difference, but at the time of pvp this has a proven difference generating imbalance.

A: Do you think I’m going to put concrete evidence here so that I can be banned? So that every community knows what hack does this and go crazy on the internet behind it to screw up the game even more? Dude, make smarter comments. And now I’ve figured out what’s going on, you’re probably friends with Arkantos of Paradise, Silute’s most hated guild, and reputed cheaters. Do you want proof of the hacks? Just look at the market, the amount of weapons with absurd improvements (Even Velcoffers) are countless. After my denunciations in the forum, these exploiters began to put high upgrade in the weapon, leaving 1 of potential to avoid suspicions.
Note: The player I reported here in the forum with a +32 weapon suspected of cheating, after being denounced by me, sold his own weapon to have no further connection with it after I report here in the forum. Why was he so terrified that he wanted to sell his rarity?

A: Have you rolled the threads? Paradise guild are only 1% of the problem. The GVG + Raid World Boss system was unsatisfactory in international terms. Follow the forum further and stop thinking only about Paradise as if it were something significant in the gobal issue.
Your fabulous Paradise is just a bunch of cheaters tucked into the Silute server. Nothing more than this.

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LOL to this, this exactly shows that you love to accuse people of anything without proof xDD
No, he’s not friends with Arcantos and neither a Paradise member. So stop making up stories of people you dont even know. Illuminati.jpg

probably

adverb

prob·​a·​bly | \ ˈprä-bə-blē , ˈprä(b)-blē\

Definition of probably

: insofar as seems reasonably true, factual, or to be expected : without much doubtis probably happyit will probably rain

I said PROBABLY:
Certainly you do not usually read dictionaries. Play less, and study more to come and debate with me!

Ohh so, he agrees with him so they are PROBABLY friends?
100% sure or not, it’s doesn’t change the fact that you are assuming things in your mind and making up stories about people you don’t know.
Also, I don’t need a dictionary to see a cheap try to disqulify someone else’s argument.
But wait! how silly of me! I beg your forgiveness your majesty of debate I truly apologize, I didn’t realize who I was talking to!
Ohh mighty general of argumentation, archduke of disagreement, imperial master of dispute, merciless god of words please forgive, next time I’ll surely know my place.
No, I rather play more TOS because I love it <3

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Let’s do a study of your logic.

1 - You say that Yoshi has no link with Arkantos.

2- Yoshi claims to be 100% sure that Arkantos made his +29 weapon legally!

If you say that Yoshi does not know Arkantos, then he can not claim that Arkantos made a +29 weapon honestly with 100% certainty. Automatically you say that Yoshi is a liar or an Arkantos fanboy.

From the moment you say that Yoshi is a liar indirectly, how do you accuse me of judging people, being that yourself did it now with Yoshi indirectly? Either you are hypocrite or you do not know what you say. The definition you gave me, came back to you and knocked you over, you just punched your own chin.

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The thing is though pvp normalized gear >>>>>> bad job of balancing gear. Normalized gear would make it way easier for IMC to balance things, which they have shown to fail at repeatedly.

1 - You said “FRIENDS” this “no link” thing is new, don’t try to change it now. No, they’re not friends
2 - Yoshi explained in his post why he knows is legit.
“because he selling more than 10 velco weapons +7 / +8 with 1 or 2 potential left.”

Yoshi knows Arkantos, I know Arkantos, you know Arkantos, everybody in Silute knows who he is, being “friends” with him is something completely different.
He is not lying because I know he bought one of those botched 1 pot weapons from him (and I did as well). And you know how I know all this? because I actually know Yoshi, he is our guild leader and my boyfriend IRL. You actually thought that you could change the word “friend” with “know” and that noone would notice, really man?

A: I said they were “probably” friends. And I explained to you the meaning of probably.

A: By your logic and your boyfriend Yoshi, if I have a Hack program with me, and I honestly do 5 guns +9 and in the last I make a +29 weapon with hack, so I’m an honest guy? In the same way that you may think someone is honest, I have the right to suspect that Is not. Your sense of justice do not exclude mine. Every player has the right to request inspection of items that they think are malicious. The game market itself has a report button for it. Again you speak without thinking and shows that your argument is unfounded.

A: I dont know Arkantos, Dont speak for me! All i know is his Nick in the Global Chat sometimes.
and if your boyfriend Yoshi is not a close friend of Arkantos, he can not say with 100% certainty that Arkantos has made a +29 weapon honestly. It could be that it did, it might not, if any player asks the Staff to check the iten, it will never be wrong.

A: The fact that you buy Arkantos weapons does not make Arkantos less suspicious than any other player with absurd items. It may be that Arkantos is honest and might not be. Only an inspection by the Staff can state. And again I say, I have not changed the words “Friend” and “Know”, you who do not know how to interpret a text and do not even know the meaning of the word “PROBABLY”.
In fact, you’ve already called your boyfriend a liar in my description above without even realizing it, and you still want to argue with me.

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