Yeah well that’s just bad game design, everything is flat numbers, almost no INT scaling, so going full con with tank items gives you enough damage (and this isn’t just a warlock thing). The thing is at r8 things will change around and swordies and archers will be the ones complained about.
Only noob wizards will think they were countered by Rhevisan 
. You lost not because of Rhevisan but it just happened someone is better than you(hypothetical).
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Just for you guys tomorrow I will test my near 100% DT + quick cast w/ & w/o 7 chapparittion stack on someone I know who is stacked on dark resist.
Reporting back numbers in 20hrs
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good job, wait for your result XD
maybe imc finally played a bit of their warrior class in game…that is why they release items like this… coz stupid OP skill is stupid…next nerf should be bleeding… bleeding damage should be -50% damage in pvp…nuff said
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Preliminary update, a warlock friend of mine hit him for 14k total with DT + quick cast + chapparittion. While im fairly certain I can hit harder than him, I doubt its by much.
Do realize that crying about the fact that a player is wearing a full set against a particular type of damage is too op is just stupid?
Do you even realize that you are complaining about the fact of non OSing people and talking about balancing in the same discussion?
Even if he is able to survive your DT, that is quite possible according to the number given by yyang (it still represents nearly half of his HP), you still have all your other spells to be able to cc/kill him.
By wearing those accessories that aren’t effective against most of your remaining spells, he also downgrade a lot his stats:
Neklace: Max peta vs Rhevisan:
Losing a lot of Dex/Con, some Str and some magic res.
Bracelet: Glass bracelet vs Rhevisan
Trading a lot of Block penetration and Mdef vs Con
All in one, he is sacrificing damage, chance to land a hit on you (block and evasion) to resist ONE PART of your spell kit. He isn’t gaining anything else against your frost / raw magical damage.
By doing that he is also lowering his chances to kill Cleric/Archer and other swordies, your potential teamates.
And your arguments about high damage and squishy mage and tanky swordy isn’t even true in ToS:
With a full con Swordman you can’t kill anyone, most of the time you don’t even hit and when you hit you can still be blocked and if you are lucky enough to land a hit, you just sting like a bee…
With a full con Wiz, you’ll just ditch less damage but will still be able to kill your opponent.
I won’t be sad for you not be able to kill a swordy in one skill anymore.
I know it is hard to be nerf each patch but it is the everyday life of OP classes.
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Damage was done by int wiz. I wouldnt be surprised if a full con build would hit him for less than 5k.
Also in high lv pvp its very common to switch equipments dynamically depending on the match up.
Because I totally think that DT should be able to one shot a 30k HP tank, right? I’ve said that 10 times in this thread, right?
Your stats thing is totally wrong. You don’t need dex against wizards, rhevisian necklace gives 6 STR/INT, you’re just losing 8, not like those stats make much of a difference anyway.
Again, you don’t need block pen against wizards, not against squishy warlocks that use karacha/arde. Rhevisian bracelet gives 74 MDEF plus 12 CON, glass bracelet gives 17 more MDEF than rhevisian but you’re gaining 12 (24) extra CON, the most precious stat in PvP.
@yyang_umd Thanks for the numbers! now @jynxie10 can see by himself that unless you have less than 12k HP (you will suck in PvP regardless of items with that HP) you can survive full DT.
Edit: ToS base has it wrong, glass bracelet actually gives 81 MDEF, so the difference comes down to just 7.
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Just for you guys tomorrow I will test my near 100% DT + quick cast w/ & w/o 7 chapparittion stack on someone I know who is stacked on dark resist.
Reporting back numbers in 20hrs
Cant wait cant wait
Where is your proof? You sounded as if you gave one, where is it?
are these things really give you % Dark Damage Reduction set?
It’s not written anywhere… 
Yep, it’s hidden effect 
I see, nice set indeed to counter Warlocks/Bokors.
Ok results are in and tbh the dmg wasnt as low as I expected.
*conclusions at bottom
References:
Revisan full set: -60%
Pvp default dmg reduction: around -50%
DT+PoA nerf (not applied anymore?): -50%
All 3 stacked against: -90%
Without DT/PoA nerf: -80%
My stats. (Normal PvE build)
With Chapparittion
Quick cast + chapparittion + blessing, enemy stacked against dark = 48k (40k without blessing? about 1/3rd of the dmg vs naked build. Somewhat consistent with -80% w/revisan vs -50% naked, + magic resist i guess)
Quick cast + chapparittion + enemy naked = 124k (consistent with default 50% reduction to all dmg vs players)
Simulating full con PvP build
Quick cast = 15k
Damage felt abnormally high. So my other friend who did 14k was called to test again. He did 25k this time. Quick cast + chapparittion.
I did 116k on him… quick cast + chapparittion. (8ks on pet)
So how did he do 14k last week but 25k this week?
Did the 50% default nerf not apply outside of TBL? I went into TBL to check.
Quick cast + chapparittion = 76k (rekt)
Quick cast + chapparittion = 66k (rekt)
Conclusion:
Something seems to have changed with DT. I think somewhere between this week and the weeks before, the 50% default debuff on DT and PoA were removed? Otherwise this damage seems really too high.
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Seems like this is it. Rhevisan set is useless now, still getting 1 shotted by hidden tweaks or “bugs”.
Thanks for the tests, it’s just pointless to use it on TBL now.
Well the test comes from someone almost full int, with chap cards, 100% attri and really good stuff, do you think you could you survive a catagoon rush with 100% attri, full str, equivalent stuff and glass mole card damagewise ?
Can probably say the same for alot of other skill in tbl, and anyway there is less wl than catagoon in tbl atm.
You have a point there, but take a look at the damages, 66-76k with Rhevisan, let’s say he has 0% attributes, that’d still be 33-38k damage. It’s a pattern i’ve been figuring out since last week. Getting 1 shotted by warlocks that i could easily tank 3 weeks ago.
A full str catagoon has no chance against my doppel, since i’m high evasion/accuracy doppel. But i agree, there’s a bigger amount of catas than wls on tbl, even though, the amount of money spent to get a cata on that condition is way way harder than pumping some int, 50% att on DT/PoA.
Might just get Abomination cards lvl 10 and let the warlocks kill themselfs. Rank 8 doesn’t look brighter. Only time will tell.
is an aura you can see the icon when you equip it