Hello Community, hello IMC Developers, I’m really glad that I can finally play this game, I really loved RagnaröK Online when I played it in my childhood, and I feel that this game, Tree of Savior, could re-incarnate it’s spirit.
That said, I want to express my feelings, critics(constructive ones, sure!) and my favorite ones, some suggestions to improve the AWESOME experience I had by playing this game !
So, let’s start, this will be a REALLY long topic, so I would like to have a ‘spoiler box’ so that I could separate the Sub-Topics for people chose to read what they want to read, but whatever, I’ll think in something…!
1. 
Gameplay.
1a. Starting the game:
Firstly when you enter the game you pass through a ‘Training Zone’ / ‘Tutorial Map’ like in RO1, that’s nice, it helps new players, and even veteran players, I liked that and it even works as a “Rush” zone also, because you can level really fast there, so the player that skips it, will lose a little bit of extra advantage later on, this gives a nice sensation of choices with a heavy impact on the development of the character.
1b. The ‘First’ City
Well, here is where the ‘problem’ begins. Klaipeda is a really nice city, and it has everything a player needs. It works really well as a “main” city, what I mean by “Main” city ? Well, basically, it’s a place to chat with friends, trade stuff, check the market, see your attributes, your jobs, repair, buy, sell, etc etc etc. I’ll use some metaphors to improve my communication since my english it’s not the best (I’m Brazillian). Klaipeda on it’s current state is like a ‘Tool Bag’ for the player. You can access everything you need/want there. And that’s awesome.
Problems / Suggestions:
• You spend the most of the early stages of the game there. And that’s it. There’s no other city to visit ? Neither a place to explore ? This is an Open World Map game. The player NEEDS the feeling of exploration. I’m level 84 with my Barbarian and i’ve never visited any other city until now. In my honest opinion, I think at this point I should have visited at least 2 or 3 cities. Villages doesn’t count, because (at least for me) the players will feel they’re just “Quest Maps”.
• Increasing the number of cities is a nice idea, even using the standard Quest System to guide the player to those cities, increasing the Quest Diversity, rewarding the player with the choices made with each quest. For example, you start as a Mage, and when you go to Klaipeda you see 4 events happening and you can chose to follow only one, a kidnapping, an invasion, some houses burning and the other main quest from uska to mines village. Each event will direct the player to a different “main quest” which will “synchronize” with the others later. Get some revelations first, others later, etc. As a mage, you chose to stop the Burning Houses and gain a really useful item for the magic based classes/builds, but the mage can chose to stop the invasion instead of the burning houses and get something to increase it’s defensive power/survivability, I really think that would increase the replayability by a lot.
1c. Classes
The classes are really fun, and the versatility on them are AWESOME. I’ve spent days, weeks, planning builds and discussing them with my friends, but there’s also some problems.
• Swordsman:
• Archer:
• Wizard:
• Cleric:
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1d. Movement
Movement in Tree of Savior feels really good. I was experiencing some desync problems, but that’s because of the ping. I hope they change the Latin Servers for somewhere closer to me, then I can fully experience the true potential of movement on this game. Also, I have some comments to make about this Topic too:
Why only Swordsmen can Sprint ? I see no reasonable purpose behind this unless think it’s not fully implemented to all the other classes. I mean, everyone knows how to Run, right ? But, taking advantage of the opportunity I would like to suggest to leave it as it is. Yes. Because, it would be interesting if the other classes had unique type of movements. Of course, all of them would consume Stamina when used, but maybe they specialized in different kinds of mobility skills, here are some examples:
• Swordsman - Sprint
(Highly increases the walking speed, making the user run faster.)
• Archer - Dash
(Dashes towards a direction. If used while attacking has a 4 seconds cooldown.)
• Wizard - Flow
(Makes the user levitate ignoring ground friction and increasing it’s movement speed.)
• Cleric - Tactical Roll
(Rolls on the ground dodging incoming attacks.)
…or you can make everyone run 
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1e. The Stamina System Potential
Well, that’s more a personal opinion, but I felt, while playing the game, that the Stamina System should be used a lot more than simply for some skills and running. It could influence combat and so much more if given the players another ways to recover this resource.
Examples:
- Increasing Auto-Attack Attack Speed
( If pressing Z quickly enough, activates the “Attack Speed Boost” like the ‘Moulinet’ skill while decreasing Stamina at every hit. )
- More Stamina Based Skills / Masteries that convert SP use to Stamina use
( Giving the possibility to the player to chose what he/she wants to use as resource for leveling / skill spamming is always awesome, of course that Stamina won’t be as good and manageable as SP, but it IS another option. )
These are just 2 examples, but I’m sure the Devs can think about much more original stuff using the Stamina System.
Also, I want to point that this Suggestion or ‘critic’ if you prefer, is based on the iCBT, maybe later on the game they’ll think for something else to use Stamina. I’m just taking advantage of the opportunity to make this point NOW in the Beta Stage to show that not only the Stamina System, but the whole game has a much greater potential than it is presented to us on it’s current state.
1f. Attribute Learning
I really liked this system. Like, a lot. There’s great potential on it for futre content update. Instead of making a huge passive tree, like most of the games, this is a system that focus more on ‘grinding’ I guess. I like it. I don’t think it will be THAT hard to grind all the money to improve all of my skills, and also, even it takes that long to min-max my character, I’m not the kind of person that cares much, I like to play until my character is min-maxed before creating another Main. It is guaranteed and it’s really effective to impact the versatility on the game AND it’s a REALLY important tool to increase the customizability of the builds, and I really hope that they keep adding more and more ‘Attributes’ to the Skills, and as a Suggestion, add some “Legendary Attributes”. Something really powerful, but expensive, and time consuming to get, for example, an Attribute for Clerics that enables Dual Wielding of Maces (that’s just an example), something like that. BUT, there’s only ONE little thing that bothers me when it’s about learning attributes, that it’s the ‘Cooldown’ between the ‘Training’. Also sometimes the price is a little off, but I won’t discuss this since it’s Beta. There’s a really nice Suggestion made by Aries, in which you can fine it here: Learning Attributes Suggestion, I think that would be the ideal system if implemented correctly, and I won’t even suggest anything, because Aries made a really great job !
1g. Stat Distribution
Well… I think this one will be the longest one, but, that’s a Feedback Thread, and I need to express everything I felt about it:
It sucks.
lol Just kidding, but I really didn’t liked it much. I liked the way it increases through your Leveling progress, someone data mined the table of progression but I can’t remember where I found it, but despite that, I felt that some builds/classes were too pressured by this. And here’s why:
In RO1, when you level up, you receive almost 14 points to distribute through your Stats, sometimes 18, when you’re leveled enough. But to balance this, sometimes you spend more than 1 point per stat, it is almost the same system as here, but it has a crucial difference, the Stats here are totally different from the stats from RO.
I mean, thematically they’re the same, BUT, in RO Int increases the SP amount and SP regeneration, here, INT only increases the Magic Attack. And that’s CRUCIAL for some Classes. All the problems like Bad Progression Curve, Lack of SP, Lack of Defense, Early stages of stagnancy are due the Stat Distribution system that Tree of Savior has. I felt as some builds, you’re a hostage of this system, it pressurizes your choices so much, that it’s almost mandatory to chose a path sometimes, while it is not intended to be.
I’ll use the most recent example I have noticed: Clerics and Archers.
Clerics are support. Ok, that’s fine, they need INT and SPR to be good as supporters, a little bit of CON is nice, but well, that’s totally fine, because this is their focus. BUT, you simply can’t build a viable Battle Priest early game. At least I couldn’t. As I’ve stated in my Class feedback, they’re not like the Acolyte from RO1, because even if you build your Acolyte to be a Monk in the future, they were strong enough to hit hard, and the only thing you needed to do was to hit the right mobs(Undead) to increase your damage even more. ALSO, in RO1, you could distribute, not 1, not 2, NOT 3, but at least 4 or even 5 attributes. Of course you won’t have 99 in every attribute, but for Monks as I remember, you would need at least STR/INT AGI/DEX, that’s 4. DEX for accuracy, AGi for Speed (if you’re a combo) a little bit of INT for Heal and STR for damage. You could even put a little bit in VIT to increase your HP, and that’s why Stat Distribution in RO1 felt so good and didn’t bothered me at all, because every level I got, I felt stronger, and I could distribute it well enough to survive and EVEN deal damage.
But here, as a Cleric, I don’t feel the same. I know it’s not supposed to BE the same, but it could be at least relative enough to be an enjoyable experience as it was leveling an Acolyte in RO1. Maybe we should be able to focus in more than 2 attributes, some classes are really benefited by that, like Swordsman, the only thing you need is STR and CON, and that’s it. You can follow this setup until you’re rank 4 and you’re totally fine.
And I know you can get more Stat points when you’re like Level 120 or 180, I know this game has a lot of levels to gain, but the thing I’m really concerned here, is with the Early experience of each class of the game. Because it impacts right in the replayability. People will think “I guess I’ll create a Cleric ! But it needs a party to level because I want to be a supporter… Hmm… Well, then I’ll create a battle cleric, monk… Paladin maybe ? But God, it’s a pain to level through it… Meh you know, I’ll make another Swordsman…”. That’s what exact what I though I finally got bored from my Swordsman, and this is not cool. I’m not blaming the entire Stat System, there’s some other problems like lack of skill variety on early stages too, but I felt that almost every class has little choice when it comes to attributes. And Archers is my final example of this:
STR for Bow dame ? Seriously ? DEX should do the whole job for the damage, AND IF the Archer in question wants to increase it’s CRITICAL DAMAGE, THEN he/she invest some points in STR later on.
I don’t know if the Devs though it would be too ‘No-Brainer’ because all the Archers would be FULL DEX, and that’s really not cool either. I really don’t know what would be the solution for the Archers case, but I felt it is pressurized too, specially in early stages. It has no HP, and it has no SP. It only has Damage and a Defense system that both will only be acceptable in mid/late-game experiences.
So my solution here is to increase the number of Stat points you get through the game, and/or maybe change what each one of them do. I really think INT should at least increase the amount of SP you have, and the amount of SP you regenerates. And SPR instead, should reduce the TIME you take to regenerate your SP, instead of doing what INT should do. SPR is a really cool stat, but it gives a lot of stuff, Block Penetration, SP Regen, SP Amount and Magic Defense. Not even INT gives Magic Defense… I don’t know, I think this system should be tweaked just a little bit.
1h. Quest & Storyline
About the Quest System, I liked it a lot too. It has so much potential for expanding the Lore and the feeling of exploration of Tree of Savior, and it’s a way to guide players who don’t want to grind or really don’t care for exploring things out of the line traced by the Quests. The way it’s made is quick, practical, and efficient.
I’ll always agree with the logic to give options for the players. In this case, “Do I quest ?” / “Do I Grind ?”, both with your respective Pros and Cons.
The only ‘complain’ I have about this system, is what I’ve said back there, for now, it seems too much linear for me. I think as a Story for a Game, it shouldn’t be linear like this, because as players, we need to feel and experience new things. We need to increase our replayability (not only by this, but it really helps), and the Quest system, in my honest opinion, it’s an important tool to make this happen and increase it even more. It sure has a LOT of potential, so please, use it more !
2. What I’ve missed, fixes and tweaks.
This game is Awesome. Seriously, there’s a LONG LONG time I don’t have fun like I had in this game.
But I miss some stuff that I think could be implemented to make the experience even more enjoyable, and I’ll leave a list here, those are more Quality of Life and some Suggestions either, I might be add more in the future also. Here we go:
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Experience Gained Info
(I guess in the Korean Servers there’s this system, maybe it’s not implemented yet here.) -
Eneable Sprint for everyone in Klaipeda or Main Towns
(Personal one. Maybe I’m too anxious to get to the Blacksmith
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Reset Stats / Skills
(Maybe for a veteran player this wouldn’t be so necessary, but on a game with 600 levels cap [or more?], new/unexperienced players will suffer a little bit if they ruin their builds for a wrong distribution in the past. For real, I think that would help even veteran players. I’m not asking it to be easy, maybe 1 Reset Skill/Stats per character only, or a super expensive Scroll, etc.) -
Shared Storage / Guild Storage
(I don’t really know if there’s one of those already.) -
Better Auto-Targeting System
(I think the ‘Tab Button’ is really useful sometimes, but it lacks efficiency either. I think the player should automatically face it’s opponent when the button is pressed. That would really helps, specially Wizards.) -
Thief Class
(An Archer becoming a Rogue in the 5th Rank and a Pirate Swordsman dual wielding a Blade and a Dagger isn’t enough for me. Sorry. [The Pirate is really cool tho lol].) -
Better synergy between Circles and Builds
(I know that there’s a lot of ‘General Skills’, skill meant by work early-mid-late game, and in any current play style you’re at the moment, but I felt that some builds lack of this synergy. For example, Schwarze Reiter, is the LAST Archer Rank, it can’t even go up to Circle 2, and it has only 4 skills, and almost none of them has any effect that is boosted / boosts previous Archer skills. The same with Monks and Paladins, but since Clerics are all ‘buffs’ and support stuff, they have the excuse that buffs are useful for every Rank / Circle you chose.) -
More Towns
(I know the game is based on the Lithuanian culture/lore, and maybe there’s not much space left to create things over it, and the Devs maybe think that isn’t a wise step too, but I missed the ‘aura’ from every city, it’s own characteristics like in RO1, Geffen, Payon, Alberta, Amatsu, etc etc. But since the game it’s on the early stages I won’t give much importance to this right now, but I would be glad to see this implemented on the future !) -
More Channels per Map
(I’ve read somewhere that the Channels are automatically generated by the Maps, so I’m not sure if this can be implemented or re-coded, anyways, I’m the kind of person who prefer instanced maps. Reasons: 1- The option to play alone and when I want to party I won’t be bothered by anyone else and 2- Making the game Party-Dependent isn’t a good way to incentive parties. As the suggestion says, you have to INCENTIVE the player, not make him/her feel obligated to do it. Not to even mention the AFK farmers…
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Key Binding / Customizable Controls
(PLEASE, WE NEED THIS ASAP. Seriously, this game has some great customization options, but we REALLY need this one.) -
Character Creation
( I’ve selected a Hair… And… That’s it… ? Not even a Mad, Happy, Cute face style ? Hair Color…? Clothes ? Maybe for the future, guys, but I would like to see at least more Hair Options
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3. What I LOVED!
Pretty much everything!
• The Art;
(The art style is freaking FANTASTIC, I really loved how you guys fused baroquian art style with anime/kawaii art style, it’s simply amazing.)
• BGM;
( I WANNA BUY IT!! );
• SFX;
( It feels SO GOOD when you kill a monster, gets hit, hit someone, drink potion, click enter, click accept, buy, sell, loot, all the sounds of this game is amazingly well placed, and feels really good to hear. )
• Build Diversity;
• Not Point and Click only;
• Entertaining as hell;
(My wife hates me now lol)
• Challenge feeling;
• Auction House;
• Card Battle;
(That’s just… Awesome.)
• Nostalgic Feeling;
• Combat;
• No restriction to Family Name change;
• No restriction to Nickname change;
• Family name system;
• Lore;
• Dialogue;
• Felt that the people that worked in this game put their heart into it;
• Free to Play;
• Incentives Party;
• Ready to spend the rest of my Life playing it;
• Dynamic;
• Bosses;
• Atmosphere;
• Open World;
4. Bugs.
Haha! Gotcha !! I won’t make you read any further. I’ll make a separate thread for this one, since there’s a lot of bugs to hunt and this isn’t the right place to post a Bug Hunt Thread, this is the “general feedback”, so I’ll let the link for my Bug Hunt thread here: I don’t know what is happening, but I can’t create new topics on the bug section… Idk why, so when I manage to create I’ll link it here, sorry about that !
5. Considerations.
Sorry! Really sorry for the long read, but I think the fact this is a Feedback justify the huge wall of text. I really hope the Developers find time to read through it. Also, I’ll try to update this as soon as possible, to increase the value of the informations given to IMC, also because this Feedback might be influenced by something that is not implemented yet and / or it’s bugged or not working as intended.
I’ve quoted RO1 a lot, but I know this is NOT Ragnarök Online. I don’t want it to be identical to it, but I also agree what RO1 have done right, and what ToS is doing right either. Also, RO1 has a lot of problems too, every game has. But the difference of a Good and a Bad game, is the value that the Devs give to their Community and vice-versa of course.
So, IMC, pay attention to your Community the best you can. We all (even the raged ones) want this game better and better, so never let your Community off-sided like I’ve seen other companies do in the past. By doing this, you make your Community feel important, and make them feel that they can help to improve the game.
And, Community, when you think on making a thread about Feedback and Suggestion, DON’T rage. Seriously. This totally ruins the value of your thread, even if you’re right on what you’re questioning. Don’t think the Devs are your enemy. They’re here to listen you (I hope), and we must reward them with valuable and constructive Feedback. When pointing a problem, try to point a solution too, that’s really important either.
The Developers has an enormous responsibility in their hands, which is to develop the game. For that, they need your comprehension and patience, if they’re listening to us, they won’t do what we’re asking in one single day. They need time. So let’s be all comprehensive as community !
And to finish, Thanks IMC. I loved RO1, and I feel that I’ll love this game either. It conquered my heart already, and will keep doing it so. Thanks a lot for the patience to read through my Feedback, and I hope it helps !
Hugs from Brazil !