If you look in any of the threads where people are talking about balance/scaling/damage you would know just how poorly skills scale in this game. If it doesn’t have multiple hits or some % modifier it’s pretty much garbage by rank 9.
Causing BLeeding, Armor break, making the enemy weak to insert damage type here are garbage? Sorry, but only a small chunk of skills will be absolutely useless by that time.
Garbage when I can have the exact same skills + rank 7-9 worth of skills that do more utility and actual damage. Have Templar duel someone who took the same build but something else for rank 7-9. Doubt Templar even gets them to 70% hp.
How about you, yourself, try it? Since you are the one having trouble believing otherwise…
If only duels had any kind of relevance to group pvp, you would have a point.
Doppel. Spin to win.
Based on the guild size your looking at 10-20 vs 10-20. If you believe the strength of an individual doesn’t matter in mid scale PvP…
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How about you, yourself, try it? Since you are the one having trouble believing otherwise…
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It doesn’t take a genius to know what the outcome is lol
Do you think a Swordsman with 3 circles can beat one with 6 from your time in iCBT2?
Positioning and tactics matter more than the individual, using CC so that pure damage can take out targets, or being able to absorb damage as a priority target matters.
Please also keep in mind that we don’t know what C2-3 holds for Templars. While C1 is more of a logisitcal thing, 2 and 3 may focus on proximity buffs or guild-wide bonuses.
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Do you think a Swordsman with six circles can beat a Swordsman with Seven circles, and at the same level?
That’s what we are talking about,
There are a lot of people (myself included) that play strictly support based classes. I am fully aware that we are the first ones to take the blame, and usually the last ones to get the glory. Nevertheless, there is something that is truly rewarding about knowing that your contribution is vital.
Sadly, I was not able to enter in cBT1 or 2. However, if I make it into the next cBT, I will happily assist in any support role you require. (If you’ll accept a noob like myself - of course)
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Well, I think it is not the time to say that templar is useless at the moment. We don’t know how’s GvG going to look like and we still don’t know about c2 and c3 skills yet.
There are possibilities that’s going to make Templar worth taking are many. For example, what if GvG requires you to defend a large area and being able to teleport to your scout and call most of your guild member to defend enemy team is going to be very important.
Moreover, what if they make templar c2 and c3 have a really nice buffs for guild members (eg damage buffs, shield, speed etc.). If you consider there are many classes that are quite useless at rank 1 and gets better at rank 2 and 3 (cata for example) then Templar is not in such a bad spot.
Thats why my Templar is sitting on my labtop. So if I need to teleport people in I can do it.
Support is really good in this game. Our guild is heavily on the PvP side though so you may not want to join us. Anyone is free to join us for kOBT though, I don’t intend to try and PvP with 150-300 ping.
Since there are 2 posts about the same thing, I’ll repost what I wrote in the other one. I’m talking about the whole idea behind Templars.
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This is why you don’t bitch about ■■■■ in a beta before things are finalized. Fool.
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YEAH! How dare they express their current opinion on the way things are currently in the hopes that it will change!
/s.
Double fool.
I don’t get the whole “Templar being a class is forcing me to waste a rank for making a guild”-thing some people keep going on about.
Even if all the Templar class was, is 15 class levels of NOTHING, except for the option of creating a guild, it would still not be a wasted rank, but a choice you have to think through carefully. Ala Do you really want to be a guild leader? In the case of these people, apparently not even that badly that they’d be willing to invest a single of your 10 class-choices into that goal.
But then, it turns out that actually, the case is not even remotely that extreme, as the Templar class is not just a proper class with its own skill-set, its skills are even made around guild-related activities. Oh no, how awful?
I don’t even…
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Cry more about bugs in a closed beta.
I don’t understand.
The game revolves around having more than one character on the same account to be efficient.
As a guild leader as well, I’ll be rolling Templar, and it’s been confirmed that once the guild is created, all your characters get guild leader status.
Why not roll a build with Templar c3, and then a build that you’d like to play.
The benefit is you get 2x dungeon runs (assuming you only have 2 characters, it can be more), so 2x the chance of loot, or talt which is necessary for guilds, and 2x the chance to make more money off of loot.
Personally I’ll be rolling 2 characters in the beginning, running a static party with my Templar and an alt when not everyone is online.
The other benefit is it’s easier to play with other members of your guild when you have other characters as I’m certain not everyone will always be on par in terms of level.
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Our guild is a heavily PvP focused guild with inter-guild tournaments, daily arena and as much GvG as the game will allow. Were also mostly Min/Maxers. Having a circle of nothing is unacceptable for any of us.
Im not really a fan of having to run a client on my labtop a leach a Templar up with my main but I guess thats whats going to happen. I have had other members offer to leach the Templar too but noone in our guild is going to main something that crappy in PvP.
Unless that guild leader status also gives your other characters access to warp in/out then your going to want your Templar on another account, preferably on a labtop sitting next to your pc so you can use those skills when you need them.
Even if having a Templar on your account did give those skills to your other characters I would probably still have to leach Templar on another account or find myself 520 (by Templar circle 3) levels behind, a rank 9 alt is no joke.